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Sunday School 8th October 2023

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  • #50556

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    #50557

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    One small detail: People in the Nazi concentration camps or Soviet Gulags or Chinese Laogai didn’t have rockets aimed at civilians or armed floatillas and armed land invaders kidnapping and raping women and children and desecrating corpses. And people in these horrible places still managed to keep their humanity even when subject to dehumanization. No comparison here.

    #50558

    _Robert_
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    Everybody is right. Plenty of blame to go around. Hamas has an idiotic death-to-Israel edict. That ship has long passed, get over it. As long as they or Hezbollah are in charge it’s fuckt, period. Israel has shown they will work with reasonable Arabs. But no, the morons are in charge as usual.

    #50559

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    Unseen, One small detail: People in the Nazi concentration camps or Soviet Gulags or Chinese Laogai didn’t have rockets aimed at civilians or armed floatillas and armed land invaders kidnapping and raping women and children and desecrating corpses. And people in these horrible places still managed to keep their humanity even when subject to dehumanization. No comparison here.

    What we’re seeing now is retaliation for decades of uncalled for, unjustifiable abuse of Palestinian civilians by Israel and its military. Hamas still has a way to go to equal it. And we have facilitated Israel by always taking their side, just like the evangelical Christians want.

    #50560

    _Robert_
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    Yeah, it’s bad. Nothing more dangerous than one who only has the afterlife to look forward to.

    #50561

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    It wasn’t Russia or Hamas or Isis or The Irish Republican army who did this:

    • 432,093 civilians have died violent deaths as a direct result of the (name the country) post-9/11 wars.

    •An estimated 3.6-3.8 million people have died indirectly in post-9/11 war zones, bringing the total death toll to at least 4.5-4.7 million and counting.

    • More than 7.6 million children under five in post-9/11 war zones are suffering from acute malnutrition.

    • War deaths from malnutrition and a damaged health system and environment likely far outnumber deaths from combat.

    It was The United States of America who did this.

    The U.S. post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and Pakistan have taken a tremendous human toll on those countries. As of September 2021, an estimated 432,093 civilians in these countries have died violent deaths as a result of the wars. As of May 2023, an estimated 3.6-3.8 million people have died indirectly in post-9/11 war zones. The total death toll in these war zones could be at least 4.5-4.7 million and counting, though the precise mortality figure remains unknown. Civilian deaths have also resulted from U.S. post-9/11 military operations in Somalia and other countries.

    People living in the war zones have been killed in their homes, in markets, and on roadways. They have been killed by bombs, bullets, fire, improvised explosive devices (IEDs), and drones. Civilians die at checkpoints, as they are run off the road by military vehicles, when they step on mines or cluster bombs, as they collect wood or tend to their fields, and when they are kidnapped and executed for purposes of revenge or intimidation. They are killed by the United States, by its allies, and by insurgents and sectarians in the civil wars spawned by the invasions.

    War can also lead to death weeks or months after battles. Many times more people in the warzones have died as a result of battered infrastructure and poor health conditions arising from the wars than directly from its violence. For example, war refugees often lose access to a stable food supply or to their jobs, resulting in increased malnutrition and vulnerability to disease.

    The Costs of War reports document the direct and indirect toll that war takes on civilians and their livelihoods, including the lingering effects of war death and injury on survivors and their families. (source)

    #50562

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    ISRAEL RESPONDS TO HAMAS CRIMES BY ORDERING MASS WAR CRIMES IN GAZA

    From the article:

    Israel’s Defense Minister Yoav Gallant used genocidal language and ordered mass war crimes in the occupied Gaza Strip on Monday in response to Hamas’s weekend assault and massacre of Israeli civilians, setting the stage for a large-scale escalation of the violence that has already led to the killing of at least 800 Israelis and more than 500 Palestinians.

    Gallant said that he had ordered “a complete siege of the Gaza Strip,” which is home to 2.2 million Palestinians, nearly half of them children. “There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” he said. “We are fighting human animals, and we act accordingly.”

    What Gallant ordered — the collective punishment of a civilian population — amounts to a war crime under international law, as well as potentially a crime against humanity and the crime of genocide, some international law experts have pointed out. Hamas’s massacre of civilians and taking of at least 150 hostages, whom it has reportedly threatened to execute in response to the targeting of civilians in Gaza, are also war crimes.

    #50563

    TheEncogitationer
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    Fellow Unbelievers,

    As promised, I did want to comment on another topic, then tie back into the Hamas attacks on Israel.

    Pastor Steven Anderson is notorious for his hatred of LGBTQ+ people. Now his son is a Nazi.

    This is no surprise and just a fairly short leap. The fruit, so to speak, does not fall far from the tree.

    The Nazis condemned Homosexuality, as well as Lesbianism, prostitution, pornography, contraception, and abortion as “acts of sabotage against the Aryan people.” The Nazis also engaged in police campaigns against these vices that were praised and supported by both Catholic and Protestant Christian Churches.

    In Germany, Austria, and other Nazi-conquered lands, the Nazis arrested and put practitioners of these vices into concentration camps and the patch on camp uniforms that symbolized Homosexuality was the pink triangle, later co-opted and used as a symbol by LGBTQ+ activists.

    Persecution of Homosexuals in Nazi Germany–Wikipedia
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany

    The common denominators are even deeper, as the Nazis also endorsed Positive Christianity in Point 24 of their 25-Point Platform:

    24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.

    The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the pinciple:

    COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

    The 25 Points of Hitler’s Nazi Party–History Place
    https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

    To tie this in with the present sit-rep in Israel, the Nazis not only endorsed Christianity, but also gave a friendly hat-tip to Islam. Adolf Hitler had regarded Islam as a religion suitable for Aryans and held that Aryans would have been Muslim warriors had the French not turned back Islamic forces at The Battle of Tours in 732 C.E.

    Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels hired The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin Al-Husseini to make radio broadcasts urging Muslims to murder the Jews in Islamic lands wherever found and to recruit Muslims in Bosnia, Albania, and elsewhere to join the the Nazi’s Waffen SS units.

    Haj Amin Al-Husseini was also the key figurehead in Palestinian Nationalism and his refusal to accept Jews in The Holy Land was inspiration for the violence that continues to this day.

    How the Mufti of Jerusalem Created the Permanent Problem of Palestinian Violence

    How the Mufti of Jerusalem Created the Permanent Problem of Palestinian Violence

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    #50565

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    @ Enco

    Explain: How can an Arab mufti be “antisemitic”? Don’t you mean anti-Jewish or anti-Zionist?

    Arabs are Semitic people. The term “Semitic” refers to a group of people who speak Semitic languages, which include Arabic, Hebrew, and Amharic. Arabs speak Arabic, which is a Semitic language. Additionally, Arabs are culturally and ethnically Semitic.

    The term “Semitic” comes from the biblical figure Shem, who is said to be the ancestor of many Semitic peoples. The term was first used in the 18th century by German scholars to classify languages. Today, the term is used to refer to both the languages and the people who speak them.

    Arabs are a diverse group of people, but they are united by their shared Semitic heritage.

    #50566

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    I’m scouring my posts and I don’t see where I used the word “Antisemitic.”

    I use the words “Anti-Jewish” or “Jew-Hater” for those who hate Jews and “Anti- Arab” or “Arab-Hater” for those who hate Arabs, as appropriate, and I only use “Antisemitic” if it applies to those who hate both Arabs and Jews.

    (The Nazi really were Antisemitic because they hated both Jews and Arabs, though they only wanted Jews totally exterminated and the Arabs kept around as “natural slaves.”)

    The racist use of the term “Semite” for Jews only was not done by Jews, but by Anti-Jewish bigots also from Germany, specifically starting with historian Heinrich von Treitschke and Wilhelm Marr.

    Antisemitism–Wikipedis
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

    As for silly pedants of any language, ethnicity, or religion, they can be known as Shemps. 😁

    Shemp Be-Be-Be-Be-Be
    https://youtu.be/XBOrcsqY6xo?si=ERvvzFhN4OARiza7

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    #50574

    TheEncogitationer
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    Fellow Unbelievers,

    This video says it all about who is at least trying to do the right thing and avoid collateral damage.

    Israel-Times.com Technology – DragonFly Robot Micro UAVs

    Anyone who relies solely on the sufficiency of Al-Qu’ran, Al-Hadith, and Al-Sunnah could not and would not accomplish this in lebbety-lebben thousand years.

    #50575

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    I’m scouring my posts and I don’t see where I used the word “Antisemitic.”

    From the article you linked to: “Hitler’s closest Middle East ally worked hard to be worthy of the Fuhrer’s praise. A look at the life and legacy of one of the most impactful anti-Semites of the twentieth century.”

    #50580

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    Well, Haj Amin Al-Husseini’s propaganda of hatred against Jews has not served the Arabs of The Palestinian Territories very well all these decades. And that hatred is about to get a bunch of Arabs killed, including innocent Arabs who are human shields for Hamas weapons.

    So, yeah, Haj Amin Al-Husseini really was Anti-Semitic in the truest sense of the world.

    #50582

    “People don’t understand how fragile the situation is,” Mr. Ziv said. “Hamas has to pay for this.” He paused. “With their existence.”

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    #50583

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    “People don’t understand how fragile the situation is,” Mr. Ziv said. “Hamas has to pay for this.” He paused. “With their existence.”

    Who is this “Ziv”? It sounds like Netanyahu.

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