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Sunday School July 24th 2022

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  • #43862

    Strega
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    Autumn it feels here in the USA that fear is the underlying commonality, the emotion constantly simmering under the surface. Fear of any accident that would bankrupt you, fear of sickness you can’t afford the cure for, fear of unemployment – most states let you fire at will. It’s called “Hire at will” which is a little Orwellian.

    With fear being the easiest emotion to inflame, as it’s constantly with everyone, you can sort of see why they’ve got such a gun fetish – it’s a way of feeling like you’re taking control, especially if you don’t trust your neighbours.  And then more guns give reason for more fear.

    We are living in a fear crucible with all the ingredients catalysing each other.

    The news channels and media outlets are not motivated financially by seeking the truth. Instead, they stoke as many fears, real or imagined, with clickbait headlines which drive their income and therefore market their content.

    I asked a friend once, if he could imagine never having the fear of a medical bill, never having a copay or deductible, call 911 for an ambulance with no worry about cost – I asked him what his life would be like. Without that fear.

    And you know, for a few moments he genuinely got it – and then he shook himself and laughed and said no, not really. Because he couldn’t imagine life without that axe hanging over him.

    #43863

    _Robert_
    Participant

    Meanwhile the things American should actually fear are disregarded. A whole lotta people did not fear Covid and refused vax/masks. Still in denial as they lay dying. Hundreds of thousands of them. I know fellow musician who is a heart-attack waiting to happen. Has clogged arteries. No health insurance. His big fear is liberalism. He erroneously calls it socialism, LOL. Thinks Antifa caused Jan 6.

    #43864

    jakelafort
    Participant

    As i lay dying, am i a siner? Have i sinned? Did i lose? Did i win? All that effort and for what?

    Scenes whiz by future past a block universe or a slice of ten years before the mast.

    #43865

    Autumn
    Participant

    I think it’s easier to blame the wrong people. Going after the right targets would just inflame a bunch of deeper fears and ugly emotions.  Sometimes potential solutions are scarier or involve an amount of sacrifice that feels harder than living with the status quo in the present. Still, the angst needs somewhere to go.

    #43867

    Unseen
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    “Self-spreading vaccines” are not what I’d call woo, because they exist and are used to vaccinate populations of animals. There is no evidence they are being used on humans but it’s not entirely impossible that they could be.

    Certainly, when it comes to people, individual consent should be required.

    #43869

    jakelafort
    Participant

    Vaccine without consent that would save tens or hundreds of thousands and reduce the probability of mutating?

    #43870

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Reg and Fellow Unbelievers,

    Whether any graves or remains were or will ever be found related to Indian Residential Schools, forcing peaceful, honest people to do anything– whether it is living away from familiar places and friends and loved ones, speaking a different language, professing belief in a God or a worldview, wearing unfamiliar clothes, or eating unfamiliar food– is the real atrocity. This atrocity of both Religion and State is inflicted on the mind as easily as on the body.

    And yes, making one’s home and the entire world one’s source of learning is better than any of that. The worst case scenario is that people can and do learn from their own mistakes and from their family’s and friend’s mistakes. And isn’t aquisition and verification the name of the game of learning?

    #43871

    _Robert_
    Participant

    Well, I would think most atheists would agree morality is relative and certainly the Euro invaders to the New World believed they were doing god’s work as they destroyed the “savage” native society. Still, late at night more than one slaveholder or “injun” hunter must have felt a twinge of doubt or remorse. Nah, just kidding. I often wonder if I would have done any better is sent back on a time machine and raised as they were. It is an interesting thought exercise.

    #43872

    Unseen
    Participant

    Vaccine without consent that would save tens or hundreds of thousands and reduce the probability of mutating?

    You really want to go down that road? If so, I have a suggestion: chemtrails.

    But seriously, that would just be raw meat for the most paranoid of conspiracy theorists and believers.

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    #43874

    jakelafort
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    Unseen: You really want to go down that road? If so, I have a suggestion: chemtrails.

    But seriously, that would just be raw meat for the most paranoid of conspiracy theorists and believers.

    Lets assume that the self-spreading vaccine is not known by the public. It is still a pandemic. Yet the damage is minimized. Think of all the baleful and pernicious influences from without. The opposition to vaccination is in part caused by such an influence(s). Substantial numbers of dumbasses made more dumb through the uncensored dissemination and practice of stupidity are vulnerable to said influence.

    So yeah i am good with it.

    #43875

    jakelafort
    Participant

    I don’t think morality is relative. I think it is nuanced and ambiguous as to difficult issues. On the other hand there are a great many no brainers that will have the same result in 1622 or 2132.

    The issue is clouded when we use historical records to conclude that morality is dependent on contemporary mores. It was ok for Whites to enslave Blacks cuz that is how it was. It was ok to have autos da fe cuz that is how it was. It was okay to burn women at the stake for being witches cuz that is how it was. Naa…

    The ingroup/outgroup calculus is very human and a residue of the evolution and biology that enabled homo sapiens to emerge. It results in the seemingly incongrous result in which slave holders would beat their slaves and fawn over their dogs.

    Humans are often blinded by their cultural/religious inculcation. On the other hand there are those who see through the aesthetics to the heart of an issue. So there were always Whites who were abolitionists. There were always people who felt the outrageous injustice of death camps, of lynchings, of inquisitions. Outstandingly bad conduct is always immoral. It may be that the more compassionate or empathic humans are the ones who penetrate the aesthetics of their era to a greater degree but that does not change the calculus.

    #43876

    Strega
    Moderator

    Americans don’t trust their government. This is a huge element of why there are many unvaccinated people here – and that applies randomly to different state governments as well.

    It seems as if your trust in your state government is high, you’ll follow their recommendation and get vaccinated. This can be seen through the different rates of vaccination and infections between states.

    In Vermont, there is a lot of faith in the state government and we can see the Covid impact being very much reduced with masks and vaccines embraced by Vermonters  There are other states that reflect this

    There are also states that demonstrate the opposite.  Florida has resolved its terrible numbers by refusing to report any more covid cases.  It’s really distressing

     

    #43879

    Unseen
    Participant

    Americans don’t trust their government. This is a huge element of why there are many unvaccinated people here – and that applies randomly to different state governments as well.

    “I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.” LOL

    #43880

    Strega
    Moderator

    Unseen, that’s funny in America but not funny in Denmark, for example. Or Iceland. Or many other places where the government actually works for the people.

    It’s a testimony as to how far apart the actions of the US government are from the needs of the people they’re supposed to work for.

    #43881

    _Robert_
    Participant

    The issue is clouded when we use historical records to conclude that morality is dependent on contemporary mores. It was ok for Whites to enslave Blacks cuz that is how it was.

    It’s too easy. You can’t go back in time. They probably believed slavery was essential for their very survival, to put food on the table.

    In 100 years, they may view us as we live today as the most immoral people ever, much worse than slavers. We continue to drive our cars and use petrol to condition our indoor spaces, strip mine, use and discard plastics, to fly our jets, use animals for our pleasure, feed and then slaughter animals and eat tons of meat, burn forests, practice industrial monoculture, chemical farming…knowing that the Earth is fast becoming uninhabitable for future generations.

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