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[jakelafortParticipant]

As if we could kill time without injuring eternity. So no way to be stochastic, didactic and inelastic. Hats off to brain droppings champion George.

Started in lower middle class Catholic town. Rough and tumble. Milly was the bully for a few years. Yea a girl. Boys were scared of her. Got in a few fights but only in my youth in that mill town.

Moved to affluent town at age 11. Parents hired an architect. Two acres miminum zoning. Wouldn’t ya know it the covert racism was greater in the effluent rrr affluent town. Plenty of open shit too. Move that goddamn Jew canoe!

So i wonder how is it that lefties have fucked up good causes as though they had the collective iq of Donald Trump?

Asked Meta about Musk. Oh he is programmed to be a neutral AI. I busted that notion through pointing out the instances where opinions not neutral were rendered. Ok Jake ya caught me says he or it. Should i ask for pronouns?

Cars? Yea i aint mechanical. Understatement aforementioned not withstanding i aint grandstanding when i say first car after i had law license was shared with my cousin law partner. No memory of the year make or model. But what a piece of shit. We called it the chintzmobile. It was standard. Had 0 experience driving standard. To be on a hill with car a few lengths behind was terrifying. Had to park the chintz half a mile away when i had a legal matter. Could not be seen in that thing and risk losing client or having reputation sullied.

When i first moved out there to start the law thing i lived in a cellar underneath a pool table. Put an add in the local rag and it said house calls. We made em too. Took his dad’s cadillac to those house calls. Two attorneys get out of the car to the consultation? Yup. First client was a divorce and she thought we were stealing her misplaced credit card as we were leaving. Nailed that sucker though. Got the retainer. Did the deed. How are you Jane. “Conceived in love.” That is what she said about her out of wedlock product. I got lots more droppings but they’re worth droppings so i am dropping further content. You are welcome.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Robert,

The environmental benefits of electric cars are favorable even after mining and processing the materials for EV batteries, such as lithium and cobalt, the impacts are generally considered to be less than with the extraction and refining of fossil fuels. This assumes that the power companies burn less and less fossil fuels themselves. Trump is not a fan of those ugly wind generators when you can see them from the third tee.

Dunno where you get all this.

You may want to ask the slave laborers in Congo who dig for Cobalt, Silver, and Heavy Metals by hand about the environmental impacts of electric cars. The oil rigs of Texas and the coal mines of West By-Lack-of-God Virginia are nothing like the mines of Congo:

How ‘modern-day slavery’ in the Congo powers the rechargeable battery economy
February 1, 202312:38 PM ET
Heard on Fresh Air
Fresh Air
Terry Gross
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893248/red-cobalt-congo-drc-mining-siddharth-kara

After hearing this story, I said The Robot Overlords can’t come fast enough with the borers and jack-hammers!

Electric cars also need to be charged by fossil fuel-burning utilities and fossil fuel-built nuclear utilities. So electric cars don’t stop Carbon emissions, they just redistribute the emissions elsewhere. The more I hear about them, the less I like them.

And it isn’t just Trump who opposes wind farms because of aesthetics on the 18 bases. Ted Kennedy and the Kennedy Klan also didn’t want wind farms eye-polluting their pristine views at Martha’s Vinyard and and Hyannisport. Wind farms have been a slap-fight among Greenies since at least the early 2000’s:

Kennedy Stands Against Wind Farm
https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/2003/08/08/kennedy-stands-against-wind-farm/50946730007/

Thomas Sowell says it right as always:
https://youtube.com/shorts/BHC4EHn6owI?feature=shared

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[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

Imagine a machine that turns carbon dioxide into fuel!!

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Reg,

Orange Man spoke truth on this one year ago, but of course doesn’t act accordingly now.

Lithium batteries also only work well when within a certain temperature and humidity range. Too low or too high and they don’t produce power, they expand, explode, and create fires. In the past couple of years, electric car drivers found out their limits both in Chicago snow storms and in the floods of Hurricane Helene.

This would prove disasterous if Trump were to “bomb the Hell out of” frigid Greenland or burning hot Yemen or the coasts of Canada with Musk-made munition-mobiles.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Reg,

The Ethylene Glycol used to convert Carbon Dioxide into fuel is itself a by-product of coal burning and requires energy to perform the chemical process. Also, since it is a coolant, it would draw heat and that heat would no doubt deteriorate machinery and materials and could inflame the fuel prematurely. It is also a hazard to the kidneys of humans and other living things.

Ethylene Glycol–Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol

And if the concentration of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere is way less than the concentration used in making the fuel, extrusion and concentration from the atmosphere would require energy.

Thermodynamics and Biology are always a bitch.

[_Robert_Participant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Robert,

The environmental benefits of electric cars are favorable even after mining and processing the materials for EV batteries, such as lithium and cobalt, the impacts are generally considered to be less than with the extraction and refining of fossil fuels. This assumes that the power companies burn less and less fossil fuels themselves. Trump is not a fan of those ugly wind generators when you can see them from the third tee.

Dunno where you get all this.

It’s the scientific consensus. As usual, I defer to the best experts I can find, such as the EPA. The problems with workers in The Congo has much to do with lack of responsible governance, corporate greed and lack of regulation. That’s the way you like it, right? And I can show you oil workers in Indonesia who are in the same shitty but very oily boat.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

[_Robert_Participant]

When Trump starts talking science, I know we are about to hear words of wisdom from a stable genius. No one else has such complete grasp of astrophysics, medical science, chemistry, mechanics, electronics, particle physics…..I could go on, the list is long. Just give the man the Nobel Peace Prize already, I am sure he thinks he deserves it. Oh, I almost forgot about economics.

When he and RFK Jr are in the same room, all the lightbulbs begin to glow from the brain waves.

 

[_Robert_Participant]

Seaside, Florida, is a pioneering example of New Urbanism, designed to create a walkable, community-focused environment with traditional town elements and a focus on pedestrian and bicycle traffic over cars. It is set up like spokes on a wheel, with a shopping area at the center. You can easily walk to shop, dine, or go to the beach.

Trouble is, it is so nice it that the prices went through real the roof, and it is now more like a rental resort than a community.

Here is a guy walking around.

 

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Robert,

It’s the scientific consensus. As usual, I defer to the best experts I can find, such as the EPA.

The EPA page assumes falsely that wind and solar can provide enough electricity for the nations entire power needs, let alone electric vehicles, even with all the Kennedys and other Eco-Wackos opposing the wind farms. And the nuclear power option isn’t even considered on the page, even thought that option really does use the least Carbon (only in the production of the reactor facilities, none in the fission process.)

Also, all those acres devoted to solar panels means that much less to grow crops or orchards or forests…you know, things that actually consume Carbon Dioxide and Carbon in fertilizer and actually make grocery supplies and lumber plentiful and cheaper.

While the EPA page did link to more charging stations than I knew existed in my area, none of them would be enough to enough to charge all the EVs if everyone in the area used EVs. And none of them are located in an area where you would want to stay parked any length of time, let alone overnight. And California is no model for anything, with rolling blackouts, plus riots, mud-slides, fires, and incompetent emergency response to destroy utility access.

And the New Urbanism approach of cramming people into high-density cities will only increase demand on electricity, increase demand for outdoor charging facilities for apartments, increase stalled EVs in traffic, and make EVs even more unsustainable.

And the Union of Concerned Scientists are the ones who have said we are 15 minutes or less from Doomsday since 1947 when they started the Doomsday Clock. Why do they even bother with promoting EVs except to drive off a cliff in despair?

The problems with workers in The Congo has much to do with lack of responsible governance, corporate greed and lack of regulation. That’s the way you like it, right? And I can show you oil workers in Indonesia who are in the same shitty but very oily boat.

The Democratic Republic of Congo, the People’s Republic of China who use Congo as their Client-State/Colony, and Indonesia are real Authoritarians who are chock-a-block on regulation of every aspect of their subjects’ lives. Slavery is not in the wheelhouse of any American except for the ones who want to revive the draft and Obama’s proposed mandatory civilian projects.

EVs have too far to go and not enough juice tp get there to turn a trade-off into a trade-up.

[UnseenParticipant]

I wonder when/if there will be a standard charging connector across all brands. I don’t see ecars really taking off until there are plenty of charging locations and you can charge your car wherever you find one and not just a location or station that services just one brand of car.

Or, if the industry put their heads together and instituted a standard would that be regarded as pernicious corporate collusion?

Maybe it will take the government stepping in and requiring the industry to standardize.

[_Robert_Participant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Robert,

It’s the scientific consensus. As usual, I defer to the best experts I can find, such as the EPA.

The EPA page assumes falsely that wind and solar can provide enough electricity for the nations entire power needs, let alone electric vehicles, even with all the Kennedys and other Eco-Wackos opposing the wind farms. And the nuclear power option isn’t even considered on the page, even thought that option really does use the least Carbon (only in the production of the reactor facilities, none in the fission process.) Also, all those acres devoted to solar panels means that much less to grow crops or orchards or forests…you know, things that actually consume Carbon Dioxide and Carbon in fertilizer and actually make grocery supplies and lumber plentiful and cheaper. While the EPA page did link to more charging stations than I knew existed in my area, none of them would be enough to enough to charge all the EVs if everyone in the area used EVs. And none of them are located in an area where you would want to stay parked any length of time, let alone overnight. And California is no model for anything, with rolling blackouts, plus riots, mud-slides, fires, and incompetent emergency response to destroy utility access. And the New Urbanism approach of cramming people into high-density cities will only increase demand on electricity, increase demand for outdoor charging facilities for apartments, increase stalled EVs in traffic, and make EVs even more unsustainable. And the Union of Concerned Scientists are the ones who have said we are 15 minutes or less from Doomsday since 1947 when they started the Doomsday Clock. Why do they even bother with promoting EVs except to drive off a cliff in despair?

The problems with workers in The Congo has much to do with lack of responsible governance, corporate greed and lack of regulation. That’s the way you like it, right? And I can show you oil workers in Indonesia who are in the same shitty but very oily boat.

The Democratic Republic of Congo, the People’s Republic of China who use Congo as their Client-State/Colony, and Indonesia are real Authoritarians who are chock-a-block on regulation of every aspect of their subjects’ lives. Slavery is not in the wheelhouse of any American except for the ones who want to revive the draft and Obama’s proposed mandatory civilian projects. EVs have too far to go and not enough juice tp get there to turn a trade-off into a trade-up.

Every time humans do work (aka move things or themselves) there is an environmental heat cost. Even walking down the street results in greenhouse gases. So, sure you can shoot holes in any transportation method. Perhaps you do know better than the majority of environmental/energy/climate scientists. However, internet is chock full of the anecdotal fallacy.

The power of random articles, forum posts, and personal observances all often have some truth. I am guilty of this sort of thing. Our experiences shape us after all. I have also become more wary of our human tendency to overweight personal experiences.

I think these partial truths are how Trump won. I feel it is important than ever to really examine the sources of scientific information, claims and data. For example, some people react badly and even die from vaccinations or contract long-lasting syndromes. RFK Jr has made a career of that fact and is now our dear leader’s health administrator because of it.

Study after study show the risk/reward profile. The numbers astronomically favor getting vaccinated if you want to stay healthy. Yet the interwebs were loaded with unscientific stories of Covid vaccination horrors. Unfortunately, many of the over 1 million Americans died unnecessarily. Why nobody goes after idiotic, anti-vax church preachers for wrongful deaths, IDK.

 

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Robert,

Every time humans do work (aka move things or themselves) there is an environmental heat cost. Even walking down the street results in greenhouse gases. So, sure you can shoot holes in any transportation method. Perhaps you do know better than the majority of environmental/energy/climate scientists. However, internet is chock full of the anecdotal fallacy.

What’s the anecdotal fallacy here?

If reducing Carbon footprint is the goal, then a method of tranportation that depends on electricity from producers of Carbon exhaust is not a solution.

And a source of electricity that crowds out the growth of Carbon-respirating, Carbon-consuming vegetation is not a solution either.

And rejecting the splitting of the Uranium atom which uses no Carbon, especially when breeder reactor technology takes care of the nuclear waste problem is simply daft for eliminating Carbon footprint.

And solutions to Carbon footprint that create greater problems are just monomaniacal.

Electric vehicles are perfect for the golf course, the back forty, and the extended retirement community, not as a panecea to immanentize the eschaton for the sake of Goddess Gaia. And they won’t make the Bad Orange Man and the Trial Lawyer Witch Doctor go away.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Robert,

Every time humans do work (aka move things or themselves) there is an environmental heat cost. Even walking down the street results in greenhouse gases. So, sure you can shoot holes in any transportation method. Perhaps you do know better than the majority of environmental/energy/climate scientists. However, internet is chock full of the anecdotal fallacy.

What’s the anecdotal fallacy here?

If reducing Carbon footprint is the goal, then a method of tranportation that depends on electricity from producers of Carbon exhaust is not a solution.

And a source of electricity that crowds out the growth of Carbon-respirating, Carbon-consuming vegetation is not a solution either.

And rejecting the splitting of the Uranium atom which uses no Carbon, especially when breeder reactor technology takes care of the nuclear waste problem is simply daft for eliminating Carbon footprint.

And solutions to Carbon footprint that create greater problems are just monomaniacal.

Electric vehicles are perfect for the golf course, the back forty, and the extended retirement community, not as a panecea to immanentize the eschaton for the sake of Goddess Gaia. And they won’t make the Bad Orange Man and the Trial Lawyer Witch Doctor go away.

[_Robert_Participant]

And none of them are located in an area where you would want to stay parked any length of time, let alone overnight. And California is no model for anything, with rolling blackouts, plus riots, mud-slides, fires, and incompetent emergency response to destroy utility access. And the New Urbanism approach of cramming people into high-density cities will only increase demand on electricity, increase demand for outdoor charging facilities for apartments, increase stalled EVs in traffic, and make EVs even more unsustainable. And the Union of Concerned Scientists are the ones who have said we are 15 minutes or less from Doomsday since 1947 when they started the Doomsday Clock. Why do they even bother with promoting EVs except to drive off a cliff in despair?

All anecdotal and straw manning as well. Doomsday clock is irrelevant to this and simply serves to increase public awareness to the relative danger levels based on the current state of geopolitics.

New urbanism encourages walking to buy your milk and plus you might get some exercise as well. It can easily be less population dense that old urbanism, but I would like to see the science on why high density uses more energy per capita than say a residential suburb as you say.

Car crazy suburbia is the land use case where you have to drive to do (or have delivered) anything outside the home, by design. You end up with situations like this:

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2013/02/28/sprawl-madness-two-houses-share-backyard-separated-by-7-miles-of-roads

I actually went to look at houses in a New Urban community years ago, but the demand was so high that and I could not a house there it at that time.

I do agree breeder reactors are promising, and together with wind/solar/tidal/geo-thermal all go hand and hand very well with electric vehicles until we develop something better.

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