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Clearsky posted a new activity comment 7 years, 8 months ago

I also found this from The Richard Dawkins Foundation.

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Clearsky posted a new activity comment 7 years, 8 months ago

Hi,
Simon by explanation do you mean using science to, explain the phenomena of religion? In naturalistic terms? Without any God?

If you haven’t then Daniel Dennett book

Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon is pretty good.

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- Clearsky replied 7 years, 8 months ago
  
  I also found this from The Richard Dawkins Foundation.
- Simon Paynton replied 7 years, 8 months ago
  
  @clearsky – “by explanation do you mean using science to, explain the phenomena of religion?” I meant explaining morality through science.
Clearsky posted an update in the group Sunday School 7 years, 8 months ago

Thanks Reg
Clearsky posted an update in the group Sunday School 7 years, 8 months ago

“It is no stranger for an atheist to live virtuously than it is strange for a Christian to live criminally. We see the latter sort of monster all the time, so why should we think the former is impossible?”

https://thewire.in/history/how-a-huguenot-philosopher-realised-that-atheists-could-be-virtuous
- Simon Paynton replied 7 years, 8 months ago
  
  Thanks Clearsky, that’s a really interesting article. I’m in agreement with Bayle, that the God explanation for morality lines up with the natural explanation. But I think it’s the Bible that complicates and confuses vital matters such as LGBT rights.
  - Clearsky replied 7 years, 8 months ago
    
    Hi,
    Simon by explanation do you mean using science to, explain the phenomena of religion? In naturalistic terms? Without any God?
    
    If you haven’t then Daniel Dennett book
    
    Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon is pretty good.
    - Clearsky replied 7 years, 8 months ago
      
      I also found this from The Richard Dawkins Foundation.
    - Simon Paynton replied 7 years, 8 months ago
      
      @clearsky – “by explanation do you mean using science to, explain the phenomena of religion?” I meant explaining morality through science.
- Davis replied 7 years, 8 months ago
  
  Because so many of it have it in your mind that the whole reason to be good is from fear of punishment or not getting rewards. This is, viewed through all non totalitarian morality or spoon-fed-morality…and extremely non-constructive if not toxic way at looking at morality and decision making.
  
  However if a good christian who is baffled why…[Read more]
  - Clearsky replied 7 years, 8 months ago
    
    Yep,
    
    Interesting points there, when I was reading that article about Bayle The Huguenot Philosopher and how he was able to conclude
    
    Atheist can be moral and there are immoral believers also.
    
    I was thinking what is he doing mentally which is different to others around him? Which allowed him to reach that conclusion?
    
    One way in which I think he…[Read more]
Clearsky replied to the topic Partial Victory!!! in the forum Announcements 7 years, 8 months ago

Yep ! Great song.

Conformably Numb= Opium for the masses?
Clearsky replied to the topic The Universe Is Not Math; It’s Energy in the forum Science 7 years, 8 months ago

I think Simon is referring to the research done here. When he is referring to Big God.

The Centre for Human Evolution, University of British Columbia.

Home

Anyway its interesting stuff!
Clearsky replied to the topic Partial Victory!!! in the forum Announcements 7 years, 8 months ago

Hi,

I agree, but what practical advice can people give?

As we live in societies and families & friends of different beliefs. Atheist, God believer. Even different beliefs about which God?

If certain members of ones family believe in God. But I do not. Does it entail conflict? Always or can we accept a plurality of values?

Family & friends ar…[Read more]
Clearsky replied to the topic Partial Victory!!! in the forum Announcements 7 years, 8 months ago

Found this when I did Google search

Deuteronomy 4:23-24
IDOLATRY FORBIDDEN
23 “Take heed to yourselves, lest you forget the covenant of the LORD your God which He made with you, f and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of anything which the LORD your God has forbidden you. 24 “For g the LORD your God is a consuming fire, h a jealous…[Read more]
Clearsky posted a new activity comment 7 years, 8 months ago

It was a long but interesting discussion. If your interested there a lot of good stuff on his ” waking up podcasts ”

The most recent one is

#138 – THE EDGE OF HUMANITY
A Conversation with Yuval Noah Harari

Here is the link.

https://samharris.org/podcast/

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- Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied 7 years, 8 months ago
  
  Here you go Jakelafort 🙂
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/jordan-peterson-granted-honorary-christian-status
Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 16th 2018 in the forum Sunday School 7 years, 8 months ago

Simon,

Thanks for your detailed and considered reply, I was analysing your comment below.
“ In practical terms it’s a way for people to even out a periodic lack of availability of food, by having sharing arrangements with neighbours”

I have a basic understanding of proximate & ultimate goals. Hypothesis ( by Prof De Walls ) which you are u…[Read more]
Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 16th 2018 in the forum Sunday School 7 years, 8 months ago

I was watching this also!
Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 16th 2018 in the forum Sunday School 7 years, 8 months ago
Hi Simon,
- Thanks for your reply, I’ve been thinking of Altruism and Cooperation. Sharing of material resources.
- Why do Humans share, donate to Charity?
- Is it purely so that in times of personal need the debt will be repaid in kind? Reciprocity?
- I mean why do we donate to charity like Oxfam, when there is zero chance of reciprocity?
- In…
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Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 16th 2018 in the forum Sunday School 7 years, 8 months ago

Simon Paynton wrote:
“A look at the evolutionary roots of sharing.” – bonobos are much more prosocial than chimpanzees, and it may well be because their food supply is more dense and they don’t have a need to monopolise food. So this would account for their tendency to share food. Humans share within the context of cooperation, and we coopera…

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Clearsky replied to the topic The Universe Is Not Math; It’s Energy in the forum Science 7 years, 8 months ago

OK,

I have changed my belief about Mother Theresa.

I saw the YouTube video by Christopher Hitchens

In some ways its a bit sad that the reality does not live up to the image.
Clearsky replied to the topic The Universe Is Not Math; It’s Energy in the forum Science 7 years, 8 months ago

Good points there. (Jakelafort)
I was listening to a podcast about political motives. Anyway the person was saying that loosely you can divide politicians into 2 types.

One is the person who is driven by conviction to do politics that they want in someway to improve their society. Like MLK, Nelson Mandela, Dr Ambedkar. Mother Theresa.
The other…[Read more]
Clearsky replied to the topic The Universe Is Not Math; It’s Energy in the forum Science 7 years, 8 months ago

Thanks Davis
Clearsky replied to the topic The Universe Is Not Math; It’s Energy in the forum Science 7 years, 8 months ago

I’ve been thinking about what people are posting about Energy. Is it real or is it a concept? Been reading up some Wikipedia stuff.

Is Energy something which we can experience in the real world? Through our senses? Like colour? Which is knowledge by acquaintance, or direct experiential knowledge through the senses.
Or is it a true concept &…[Read more]
Clearsky replied to the topic My new book: Deciphering the Gospels Proves Jesus Never Existed in the forum Theism 7 years, 8 months ago

Thanks!pope
Clearsky replied to the topic My new book: Deciphering the Gospels Proves Jesus Never Existed in the forum Theism 7 years, 8 months ago

Hi Interesting discussion on what constitute belief. What a Christian Believe and what an atheist believes.
For me the main difference is not one of belief but one of knowledge.

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The Atheist bases their world paradigm on Empirical knowledge as a Natural philosopher does.
What I mean by this usually their knowledge is based on data which is…[Read more]
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