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The ultimate decision about what is accepted as right and wrong will be made not by individual human wisdom but by the disappearance of the groups that have adhered to the “wrong” beliefs.

–F.A. Hayek

Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:
OK, so now absolute morality is just values “one holds dear”. So, if one culture holds sex with minors in high regard, and another will lock you away in jail, they are both following absolute morality. Got it. Yeah, see I don’t buy that.

When religious folk talk about absolutes they are talking about specific laws…

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_Robert_ wrote:
OK, so now absolute morality is just values “one holds dear”. So, if one culture holds sex with minors in high regard, and another will lock you away in jail, they are both following absolute morality. Got it. Yeah, see I don’t buy that.

When religious folk talk about absolutes they are talking about specific laws set down by th…

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Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
Facts are in one realm and values are in another one and never the twain shall meet because facts are value neutral

You’re right, I’m being a bit glib and disingenuous. It’s true, they’re different realms, and we don’t treat them the same when making judgments of what to do. We take both into account. In a way,…

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OK, so now absolute morality is just values “one holds dear”. So, if one culture holds sex with minors in high regard, and another will lock you away in jail, they are both following absolute morality. Got it.

Yeah, see I don’t buy that. When religious folk talk about absolutes they are talking about specific laws set down by the creator of the…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:
So there are really no “absolutes”. “Killing is wrong” is  meaningless.

No phrase I can understand is literally “meaningless.”

There are an infinite number of “killings” possible. And when you say “If one person feels” as in your fetus example, well that’s not exactly an absolute.

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Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:

Unseen wrote:
You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

It seems that with any sort of absolutes there ends up being a gazillion exceptions. Give us a…

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_Robert_ wrote:

Unseen wrote:
You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

It seems that with any sort of absolutes there ends up being a gazillion exceptions. Give us an absolute that h…

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Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

Yes you do, you have physical and scientific facts to build the foundation on.

Facts are in one realm and values are in another one and never the twain shall meet…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

It seems that with any sort of absolutes there ends up being a gazillion exceptions. Give us an absolute that has no e…[Read more]

You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

I did use AI to help write a song and make suggestions. And then I didn’t care for it, but there is a reasonable workflow if you don’t let it just go hog-wild.

Rather than relying on an ultimate supernatural authority, secular morality can rest on a foundation of shared humanity, reason, and an ongoing commitment to reduce suffering and promote flourishing.

That’s a decent summary.

Unseen wrote:
The aibient Youtube channel puts out hyperrealistic AI-created 11-12 hour long simulated 3D videos like this virtually daily: Imagine how much it would cost and how much time it would take to hire a video artist to create anything like this if the stipulation was “no AI”.

When it comes to music, quantity doesn’t posses a qual…[Read more]