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tom sarbeck replied to the topic Quantum Mechanics – Pilot Wave proposals in the forum
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 7 years, 9 months agoAw-ww, Beanie. Quantum entanglement? Stuff popping in and out of existence?
Einstein did not start the anti-empiricism of our time but with his thought-experiments, his hatred of laboratory work, and his arbitrary limit on the speed of light, he gave scifi a boost. Isaac Newton’s religiosity may have blinded him to a speed of gravity that is o…[Read more]
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PopeBeanie started the topic Quantum Mechanics – Pilot Wave proposals in the forum
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 7 years, 9 months agoNo need to click on the links I provide here, unless you’re really interested in going deeper into the physics. In fact I recommend non-geeks to just skim down to “Deterministic Quantumness: Probable Baloney”.
I’m not a physicist, nor have I ever passed a calculus class. (Statistics, yes, and my father and I made a “wave machine” at home, like…[Read more]
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tom sarbeck posted an update in the group
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 7 years, 9 months agoClaim:
The hot bang best matches our observations,
Debunk:
The hot bang results from:
1) a hypothesis without evidence that because red shift (light) is a Doppler effect (sound), the universe is expanding, and
2) its expansion began from an imagined infinitely small and infinitely hot point. (LeMaitre’s ‘primeval atom).
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tom sarbeck posted an update in the group
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 7 years, 9 months agoNeil deGrasse Tyson opens the first chapter of his book “Astrophysics for People in a Hurry” with:
“In the beginning, nearly 14 billion years ago, all the space and all the matter and all the energy of the known universe was contained in a volume less than one trillionth the size of the period that ends this sentence.”I don’t see that as eviden…[Read more]
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Hi Tom,
“I don’t see that as evidence. Do you?”
No. In itself it’s not purported to be evidence – it’s a statement of fact. I’m confident that NGT would love for you (or anyone else) to challenge the evidence behind this statement. As I’m not physicist of or a cosmologist I’m not going to waste my time trying. At this point it’s a matter of t…[Read more]
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I’m not a diehard banger. It’s just that they seem to have the best ideas for what to research next in the quest to understand the univers, and a large enough community willing to spend time on it and try to educate us. I can’t even get straight talk from you about what kind of research you think the scientific community should work on next. All I…[Read more]
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Take a cue from your father, PB.
The Bang is a bunch of math-inclined folk who, to keep their taxpayer funding, are using a Genesis-like origin story to win allies in Congress.
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Lisa joined the group
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 8 years ago -
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It is the height of dishonesty to claim that science and Christianity are mutually exclusive. It is likewise the height of dishonesty, and there is no shortage of dishonesty of course among atheists, for them to claim intellectual supremacy, and that BECAUSE of their (claimed) universal supremacy, all of their arrogant pronouncements are correct,…[Read more]
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First of all, thanks for the insults (lol). When someone has no real argument or simply do not know how to debate, they default to insults.
Secondly, I made no claims here about anything. I simply joined the thread but will respond to your point.
Science and religion can be compatible, depending on the believer’s Christian denomination (and…[Read more]
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I was talking about atheists in general, not you specifically. I thought I made that clear. Atheists are thoroughly hateful, condescending, and vulgar. Not exactly the qualities one would expect from those pretending to be so very rational and enlightened.
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Ever heard of the Westboro Baptist Church? And I have personally had conversations that start with “you have no morals”, or “you will be going straight to hell”. There is certainly enough arrogance and bad manners on both sides to go around.
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Teaching Moment:
1. Westboro Baptist Church is a small group of insane individuals who should be locked up. They are so small in percentage as to be insignificant.
2. Atheists are consistently hateful, consistently condescending, consistently arrogant and pretentious. They take their cue from haters like Richard Dawkins, a professor.
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Teaching moment-
1. VP Mike Pence is in that same category. He just lies about it publically.
2. I agree that Dawkins can be a jerk. However, there are many evangelicals that fit those adjectives as well. And many radical Muslims that would love to literally kill you and me.
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tom sarbeck posted an update in the group
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 8 years, 1 month agoFinally, some evidence: Here are Edwin Hubble’s words in the 1937 Royal Astronomical Society Monthly Notices:
“If the red shifts are a Doppler shift . . . the observations as they stand lead to the anomaly of a closed universe, curiously small and dense, and, it may be added, suspiciously young.
“On the other hand, if red shifts are not Dop…[Read more]
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_Robert_ posted an update in the group
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 8 years, 2 months ago-
Thanks for posting this Robert.
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tom sarbeck posted an update in the group
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 8 years, 3 months agoThe origin of life Is among many atheists’ interests. If It Is among your interests, go to http://www.youtube.com and on its search bar enter “electricity of life”.
You will see links to short videos telling of recent research into this question. One of these links will take you to a playlist of all the videos in this Thunderbolts Project series, total…[Read more]
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_Robert_ posted an update in the group
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 8 years, 3 months agoMorality is natural for social species; I mentioned to a fellow partier. She disagrees and says the 10 commandments is the basis. I shouldn’t have done it but I said “Oh yeah? name them. She got about 4 and a half of them, the usual ones…. steal, kill, covet, and false idols. It’s amazing how they always fail. It was all in good fun, but I gave…[Read more]
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Yep, I usually ask what number Rape is in the List of Ten.
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tom sarbeck posted an update in the group
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 8 years, 4 months agoReg, when did consensus replace evidence and reason?
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There is plenty of evidence and good reason(s) to accept it as our best (current) understanding of the Universe. I will do up a post on it soon.
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Thanks, Reg. 88 years are a bunch and happily I’m in good health.
Re my snarky Q, don’t do a post on evidence. Instead, one on your understanding of when consensus replaced evidence. My understanding follows.
It happened in the decades after 1957 when the USSR put a man into orbit. The Cold War was going strong and America’s leaders reali…[Read more]
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Reg the Fronkey Farmer posted an update in the group
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 8 years, 4 months agoIt is difficult (impossible) to imagine. While we don’t yet know exactly how it happened it is the consensus that all matter and energy in the Universe once existed in a volume less than one-trillionth the size of the period at the end of this sentence.
Page one of “Astrophysics for people in a hurry” (a good xmas gift) by Neil deGrasee Tyson.
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tom sarbeck posted an update in the group
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 8 years, 4 months ago“Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”
— Richard Dawkins. (Thanks. Reg.)Yeah, and even some atheists have not yet kicked the faith habit.
Imagine, if you can, a particle too tiny for you to see. And then imagi…[Read more]
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Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic Past Life Regression in the forum
Science — the kind that requires evidence and reason. 8 years, 5 months agoI think in a past life I was once a ladies field hockey pitch on a wet Sunday, on finals day. It was also the death of me. At least I really hope so.
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Well, as for your first point it’s a wonder that the thousands of airborne weather RADARs I have designed over the years are able to detect turbulence and windshear as they do by looking for opposing doppler shifts of the electromagnetic pulse that we transmit. We then alert you pilot so he or she doesn’t kill you. Its not like we are an audio…[Read more]
Robert, you say the radars you designed looked for opposing doppler SHIFTS. How certain are you that the radars did not look for doppler EFFECTS?
Scroll down to the Brain Cox-Darwin interview you posted five months back. One month later (just above it), I posted Edwin Hubble’s use of both terms. You will see they are not synonomous.
Further, Robert, the Zwicky I cited in my below reply to Pope Beanie said tired light accounts for what Bangers refer to as doppler shifts.
In short, doppler shifts do not exist in electromagnetism, but legions of Bangers insist that they do exist.
Similar misuse of language was standard practice among people working in the Apollo program. They…[Read more]
Then what causes red shift? (I dare you to evade yet another reasonable question!)
First, PB, a reply that requires some knowledge of physics.
“Zwicky suggested that photons might slowly lose energy as they travel vast distances through a static universe by interaction with matter or other photons, or by some novel physical mechanism. Since a decrease in energy corresponds to an increase in light’s wavelength, this effect w…[Read more]
Continuing the above where interupted by a fingertip’s accidental touch.
…As the Wiki article says, longer wave lengths survive their journey better than short wave lengths. The surviving wave lengths APPEAR to have been shifted. Bangers, having studied neither art nor electricity, gets things all wrong.
BTW, I ignored your previous q…[Read more]
OK, I see now that (at least some) physicists differentiate between the terms “doppler effect” and “doppler shift”. So, you’re not actually saying that recession of a star or galaxy does not cause redshift, but you’re saying that there is more than one possible cause of redshift. Right? (The physicist that I just read:…[Read more]
Beanie, the physicist you cite assumes the truth of expansion, aka recession.
He assumes he sees all the wavelengths and concludes they are stretched,
Instead, the shorter wavelengths do not survive their journey so he sees only the longer wavelengths.
Then, like religious folk, he tells a story.
Read carefully what Edwin Hubble said:
If … a Doppler shift, a curiously small, dense, suspiciouly young universe.
If … not Doppler effects, a universe extended indefinitely in space and time.
Bye bye Big Bang.
Tom, why don’t you just explain the difference between an electromagnetic doppler shift and a doppler effect, since I know a RADAR return is frequency shifted in either direction, proportionate to the velocity and direction of the target and that velocity is calculated by the doppler equation. Yes, the calculation for mechanical soundwaves are…[Read more]
Robert, this discussion is about light on a one-way trip, not a radar signal on a two-way trip.
It’s also about the loss of some of the light being interpreted as a frequency shift. I don’t know if some of the radar signal is being lost.
As to a distinction between doppler shift and doppler effect, check Edwin Hubble’s use of the terms in my…[Read more]