Simon Paynton
@simonpaynton
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School December 14th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 7 months, 4 weeks agoStrega wrote:
it’s not just people dying, like snuffing out a candle. It’s about leprosy, polio, and a million savage unrepairable wounds. It’s about the misery of pain, and the proximity to animal violence that pervaded in your ‘sounds great’ description.I take your point, that living conditions and the lack of advanced medicine would have made…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 7 months, 4 weeks ago
It may well be that @kingiyk‘s “proof” is logically consistent, i.e., logically valid. When AI checks it, it validates it on the grounds of internal logical consistency.
But that’s not the same as being empirically valid – valid in the real world. To be valid in the real world, all the premises have to be real (I don’t know – I assume) and t…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 8 months ago
Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
The Trinity presupposes a God-concept that the Bible itself never articulates.But that doesn’t prove the Trinity is wrong.
Can we atheists recognise the wrongness of a description of something we think doesn’t exist? Not even wrong?
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 8 months ago
Simon Paynton wrote:
An AI proof isn’t proof.Unless it’s a dedicated theorem prover, or an AI program which has specifically been asked to prove a theorem, without flattering the user.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 8 months ago
TheEncogitationer wrote:
It puts out affirmation for every bit of nonsenseI think that AI flatters people.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School December 14th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months agoTheEncogitationer wrote:
I’m saying there was no Garden of Eden or “Golden Age” or “Noble Savagery”, whether terrifying, beautiful, or otherwise.No power, no oppression, no money, no patriarchy? Sounds great. It’s true that people died very young though.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 8 months ago
Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
If Father = fully GodAnd Son = fully God
And Father ≠ Son
Then “God” is both identical and non-identical.
You now have:
God = Father
God = Son
Father ≠ Son
This violates the basic identity logic: If A = C and B = C, then A = B.
You can’t escape bad logic with theological wordplay.
I’m not sure I agree that your refu…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 8 months ago
King Iyk wrote:
explain how a precise, formal model of it could be extracted from the immutable fabrics of reality: immaterial time and immaterial mathematics, converging at the crucifixion?Coincidental synthetic patterns. We can join the dots however we like.
King Iyk wrote:
explain why the foremost advancement of the human race in the… -
Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 8 months ago
@Robert – you’re assuming that the Bible is proposed as proof of God’s existence, when that may be too much burden. Maybe the Bible is not supposed to make sense, but God does.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 8 months ago
The thing is, it’s impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God, by logic or any other means, in this world we have. Evidence would be nice; failing that, it’s unprovable either way.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 8 months ago
_Robert_ wrote:
Divine significance to Digital Root Mechanics is often characterized as pseudomath or numerology by the scientific community.DeepMind has spoken. The answer’s 42.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 8 months ago
King Iyk wrote:
the validity of the proofCan you run it past a “theorem prover”? I’m told they exist, for proving mathematical theorems.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School December 14th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months agoTheEncogitationer wrote:
As rotten as things can be today, it was always worse in times past.You’re talking about life in the Garden of Eden. I think it must have been both terrifying and beautiful.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School December 14th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months agoTheEncogitationer wrote:
But if too many members of a tribe got injured or sick at once, wouldn’t that mean less hunting and gathering and everyone would starve?All the more reason to look after them and try and heal them.
I read of an instance where a hunter-gatherer tribe left behind an old lady who had dementia. If people were/are being lo…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic A Formal Mathematical Model of The Holy Trinity. in the forum Atheism 8 months ago
Should a proof of God’s existence be that complicated? Is there a “should” about it at all? When I write about morality, it’s complicated to say anything. There’s a complicated story to it. But what I can do is sum things up in a paragraph, requiring further illumination or unpacking.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School December 14th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months agoTheEncogitationer wrote:
And an assassin’s bullet did nothing but give Charlie Kirk martyr statusIt did, and any political violence is deplorable. Even if he was aggressively anti-liberal, he had the right idea in debating people.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School December 14th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months ago@jakelafort – I stay out of the “left”, I won’t sign my name to any ideology. I find them totally nuts. I saw that Instagram post, and they seem to have forgotten that slavery was invented in the Bronze Age. I’ve had conversations with feminists who are completely ideology-bound until you shock them out of it. The big problem is gro…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School December 14th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months agoTheEncogitationer wrote:
There would be little place for the very young, the very old, or the sick and infirm in a Hunter-Gatherer world.That’s not true at all. There’s plenty of evidence of prehistoric people caring for their sick and injured, and this evidence increases as we get nearer the present day.
E.g.:…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School December 14th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months agojakelafort wrote:
if you would give the aspects of wokeness that you are supporting.Just the general pro-human rights, pro-sexual freedom (except pedophiles), anti-racist, that’s it.
I think Republicans who are not being crooked snakes should have a respectable platform. If they are being crooked snakes, they will have manufactured a platform…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School December 14th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months agoReg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
Debunking the myth of truly egalitarian societies in human history.We knew this already. Present-day hunter-gatherers are not so egalitarian. Except for the Batek of Malaysia, who are very egalitarian and do not have patriarchy, and the article does not contradict this.
demand-sharing, risk-pooling, s…
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