Simon Paynton

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  • #61907
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    It’s a point of view.  I recognise some of it.

    #61905
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    Beyond Belief – New atheism

    I will now be deleting the files from my web space.

    #61904
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    I’ve transferred the two .mp3 files of BBC Radio 4 programmes, to my DropBox account because they were eating up my bandwidth and breaking my fair usage policy.

    So, the same files are available at DropBox:

    The third man syndrome

    #61901
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    Enco, I like the stuff about “debate culture”.  New Atheism has been good for that.

    #61899
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    #61898
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    mp3:

    https://orangebud.co.uk/BBC Radio 4 Beyond Belief – New atheism 2026-10-13.mp3

    If there are any problems with the link, let me know.  Left-click: play, right-click: save-link-as/download.

    #61897
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    Here’s a programme that was on BBC Radio 4 the other day: “New Atheism”.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0032s9x

    #61890
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    What do you mean by “thorough and satisfactorily.” How do you determine it is satisfactory. What makes your interpretation of human behavior better than another? Those questions involve reasoning about evidence, explanatory adequacy and competing hypotheses.

    A good example is conceptions of fairness, how it evolved, and what it’s for and what it does, in evolutionary ethics.  The most well known theory says that people bargain to get what they can get away with without incurring a bad reputation.  It evolved because those who took too little would lose out in evolutionary fitness; and those who took too much would get a bad reputation and lose future collaborative opportunities and therefore evolutionary fitness.

    This sounds great, possibly to a computer, because it sounds like a plausible explanation for “fairness”.  But it fails entirely to account for the well-documented phenomenon of “other-directed equity aversion”: not wanting to see one’s partners get less than they deserve.  Never mind trying to rip them off as much as possible and hoping they won’t notice.  The explanation given is that of a sociopath, not a normal human being.  I don’t believe a computer would know that instinctively – you would have to tell it, and then present it with all your evidence, and then you might as well do it yourself.

    I don’t exactly extrapolate from myself to all of humanity.  I use myself as a data test centre to see how theories hold up when examined in the light of my experience.  But I also use scientific data a lot.  It’s well known that people exist on spectrums with dimensions, and I occupy points on those spectrums.

    I see metaethics as basically moral theory – talking about how morality is put together like a machine or system, determined from all the nuts and bolts from anthropology, psychology, all those humanities subjects.  From this model, it’s very easy to answer and make sense of longstanding metaethical questions.

    For example, moral realism depends on having the goal of welfare, which we all have.  Once we have that goal, it’s necessary to do certain things – we ought to do them, as a descriptive fact.

    #61886
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    But an AI machine will never know what it’s like to be any human.  At least I know what it’s like to be one.

    #61881
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    LLMs will never be able to tell us what it’s like to be human.  The philosophy I do is all descriptive, so it means reporting on what humans do and how they think, and painting a picture that purports to be factual.  The only checking required is that the arguments are thorough, that they answer questions satisfactorily, and that they’re consistent with known scientific facts.  There isn’t a lot of “reasoning”.  I know AI is good at reasoning: this isn’t it.

    As far as learning philosophy goes, I think a rigorous and anti-authoritarian approach is necessary, as in mathematics – proper thinking.  Then it’s necessary to learn all the issues in the subject area.  That can come from other philosophers.

    #61872
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    Will artificial intelligence change how philosophy is conducted?

    I don’t believe that AI could ever do moral philosophy.  The moral philosophy that I do is descriptive (the only valid kind) and to do that, a person needs to know what it’s like to be a human being.

    On top of that, why would we ever want AI to do our philosophy for us?  What’s the point?  I don’t even see how it could help, beyond some useful summarising abilities that some people possibly might want to use.

    #61819
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    oops:  https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0032f9x

    Enco, that’s interesting.  I think you’re right.  It sometimes doesn’t take much to start hallucinating.

    #61815
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    mp3:  https://orangebud.co.uk/BBC_Radio_4_Third_Man_Syndrome_2026-10-04.mp3

    Left-click – play.  Right-click – download.

    #61814
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    Trying to post again:

    Here’s a BBC Radio 4 programme that was on yesterday, on the subject.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0032f9

    #61757
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    If not, then it is merely freedom for whichever religion controls the State.

    Or, whichever state controls a religion.

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