TheEncogitationer
@theencogitationer
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Davis replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
It’s arguably indoctrination to try to force people to agree with one’s views. Teaching is not the same as indoctrination. DeSantis is just being a jerk.
Can you please give me an example of people being forced to agree with something in school? As in, if they do not say “okay I agree with that ideologically” they will be punished?
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Autumn replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 6 hours ago
What indoctrination? This is the whole point.
I’m not saying this “controversial” college is trying to indoctrinate people. As far as I know, they’re tackling the subjects in a sober and serious academic manner with any amount of free thinking allowed. I don’t know any different. But wokeness has a reputatio…
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 7 hours, 7 minutes ago
This is not indoctrination. Calling it so is just a tactic to maintain the status quo of biggotry.
It’s arguably indoctrination to try to force people to agree with one’s views. Teaching is not the same as indoctrination. DeSantis is just being a jerk.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 7 hours, 9 minutes ago
What indoctrination? This is the whole point.
I’m not saying this “controversial” college is trying to indoctrinate people. As far as I know, they’re tackling the subjects in a sober and serious academic manner with any amount of free thinking allowed. I don’t know any different.
But wokeness has a reputation for bullying and a…[Read more]
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Davis replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 12 hours, 15 minutes ago
Simon, you could argue that teaching children that racism is harmful (and to be kind to one another) is also indoctrination. Or that “war should be avoided if possible” is indoctrination. In fact, you could argue that teaching anything you disagree with or at least, is even mildly progressive or controversial, is indoctrination. I fail to see what…[Read more]
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Autumn replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 12 hours, 40 minutes ago
But the woke people have given a gift to the reactionary Right, by actually trying to indoctrinate students – to try to force them to believe certain ideas. “Progressives” trying to force the issue and trying to indoctrinate people gives people like DeSantis a “semi”. It’s like all his birthdays and Christmases came at once.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 18 hours, 1 minute ago
Yes, people do get a hysterical overreaction to things like CRT, sexual orientation, gender identity etc. But the woke people have given a gift to the reactionary Right, by actually trying to indoctrinate students – to try to force them to believe certain ideas. “Progressives” trying to force the issue and trying to indoctrinate people gives p…[Read more]
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Autumn replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 18 hours, 22 minutes ago
I get it. But there’s a big difference between shouting and screaming, and bullying and intimidation. People resent being bullied and intimidated, and they push back.
You don’t get it. The screaming you are complaining about typically IS the pushback, not the push.
If you go back to the top of our exchange, you’ll see I am n…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 18 hours, 48 minutes ago
there is often a reflexive, knee-jerk response to resist change at all costs.
That’s true, there often is a reflexive knee-jerk response to resist change at all costs. I think this is for two reasons: 1) people are naturally conservative – in their state of nature – because they just don’t like new ideas; 2) they might…[Read more]
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Autumn replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 19 hours, 37 minutes ago
I’m saying that if people want to take us in a new direction, then it needs to be a good new direction, for good reasons.
Again, this has nearly nothing to do with what I wrote.
Which part of it is bullshit? My door is always open to people who come calmly with evidence. It makes their ideas look c…
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Noel replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 1 day ago
Thanks Reg: long time. Hope you’ve been well. On your advice downloaded a Kindle version of “The Milky Way, an autobiography of our galaxy”. Enjoying it so far and giggling every time I find myself thinking about The Milky Way speaking to me in the first person.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 1 day, 5 hours ago
You say it makes sense, but then follow with a response that is non-sequitur to what I wrote.
I’m saying that if people want to take us in a new direction, then it needs to be a good new direction, for good reasons.
If someone is screaming their new ideas at you, saying “don’t think, just listen”, and “if you disagre…
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Autumn replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 1 day, 6 hours ago
This cognitive bias makes sense in some ways. If it ain’t broke, why fix it? Tradition and culture are naturally conservative things. New ideas had better be good, or we’re not going to listen.
You say it makes sense, but then follow with a response that is non-sequitur to what I wrote.
If someone is screaming their new ide…
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 1 day, 7 hours ago
Of course it’s reductive to say that’s always the case. I’m just saying when we look at human rights issues, environmental issues, economic issues, issues that undermine religious world views, justice and law enforcement issues, there is often a reflexive, knee-jerk response to resist change at all costs.
This cognitive bias makes…[Read more]
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Autumn replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 1 day, 16 hours ago
The myth of academic indoctrination.
It’s impossible to avoid everything that could remotely resemble indoctrination in an environment where you educate or instruct. A disingenuous person could quite easily make specious claims that any teaching is indoctrination and get traction with it for no less than two reasons…[Read more]
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TheEncogitationer replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 1 day, 22 hours ago
Reg,
Great collection of stories to explore as always!
Here’s a story to share with all of our Theist foils who like to tell us that Atheism is synonymous with Communism and Twentieth Century Democide. It seems that Joseph Stalin’s greatest propaganda agent in the U.S. was a Roman Catholic Priest.
Duped by Stalin and…[Read more]
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Strega replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 2 days, 1 hour ago
Thanks Reg!
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Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic
Sunday School February 5th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 2 days, 2 hours ago
Have a great week everyone!
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Autumn replied to the topic
Sunday School January 29th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 1 week ago
Anyone bringing me endless refills of coffee is as close to godly as a human can get, sabbath be damned.
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Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic
Sunday School January 29th 2023 in the forum Sunday School 1 week ago
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