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King Iyk wrote:
@Reg, The bottom line of our exchange is this: I was able to get the foremost intellectual advancement of the human race (AI) to attest to the validity of my demonstration—you were not. Simple.

(Reg, it’s hard for me to resist responding here.)

Seems to me, you’re openly not interested in considering intellectual or p…[Read more]

It is patently clear you are incapable of reasoned debate. I am only replying for the sake of others that might be reading this from the sidelines.

“AI attested to it” is not a meaningful claim. LLMs are not intelligent systems. Just ask one if it is. They echo coherence, not correctness.  If AI affirmations counted as validation, then nume…[Read more]

You said in the parting gift of your last paragraph that “The Bible’s God is Triune, demonstrated not assumed”.

But demonstrated how? All you have done is to show that patterns can be extracted from a text and that symbolic triad can be (re)arranged, Nothing is demonstrated.

 “When treated as data rather than prose”….once again, this is a catego…[Read more]

There is so much wrong here that I am not sure where to start. I will pick some points out. The whole piece reminds me of what Dan Dennett called a ‘deepity’. Lots of big words too so I will try not to be too much of a sesquipedalian.

‘But conceptual analysis still carries a burden: a concept that does not exist in its source domain cannot gen…[Read more]

@ Robert

“This conservative move toward antisemitism was predictable.”

Yeah totally. I predicted it years ago.

And agree regarding rest of your take. Similarly it was true of the Iranian revolution. The stupid socialists/marxist were executed once the Shah was overthrown. No such thing as a “good….fill in the blank for racist ideologues.

jakelafort wrote:
King reminds me of the Progressives/Woke in their pathetic intellectualizing of their racism against Jews and in how they try to discredit state of Israel. Just give me a theist who is honest. I have faith which means i got nothing dude. Absolutely nothing. Give me Nazis. Sure there is a mythology but at base nobody gonna take…

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King reminds me of the Progressives/Woke in their pathetic intellectualizing of their racism against Jews and in how they try to discredit state of Israel. Just give me a theist who is honest. I have faith which means i got nothing dude. Absolutely nothing. Give me Nazis. Sure there is a mythology but at base nobody gonna take it seriously. Give…[Read more]

If I was on that flight I would start singing “Allahu Akbar” and if asked to stop,would then sue the airline for religious discrimination.

jakelafort wrote:
You guys have ripped King a new one. Chances he admits he is wrong?

Never.

I just read a story about members of a church musical group who sang and played jesus worship music mid-flight. Fucking morons, the crew allowed it. It’s so awesome I live in a one party, christian nationalism fueled, authoritarian country that trashes…[Read more]

You guys have ripped King a new one.

Chances he admits he is wrong?

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
@simon – I am not trying to prove it false. I am evaluating whether it is textually grounded and conceptually coherent. I was doing conceptual analysis, not arguing metaphysics. The doctrine of the Trinity is not derivable from the text it claims as its source. My claim stands. irrespective of the existence or not o…

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@Simon – I am not trying to prove it false. I am evaluating whether it is textually grounded and conceptually coherent. I was doing conceptual analysis, not arguing metaphysics. The doctrine of the Trinity is not derivable from the text it claims as its source. My claim stands, irrespective of the existence or not of the Christian God. I’m not c…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:
Our democracy and its institutions are only as strong as we are. And it is plain obvious that ideology is running amok and imprinting human minds as efficiently rrr nearly as Konrad’s ducks. These mofos on either side can critique the other side but are utterly incapable of seeing the pile of shit they stand by. Ai and its i…

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Our democracy and its institutions are only as strong as we are. And it is plain obvious that ideology is running amok and imprinting human minds as efficiently rrr nearly as Konrad’s ducks. These mofos on either side can critique the other side but are utterly incapable of seeing the pile of shit they stand by.

Ai and its incorporation into the…[Read more]

The Trinity presupposes a God-concept that the Bible itself never articulates. The God presented in the Bible is a single personal agent, whereas the Trinity redefines God as a “tri-personal” being which is a category shift not made by the biblical authors.

TheEncogitationer wrote:
Robert:

The real beneficial power of AI is medical diagnosis, genetic medicine, battlefield management, software development, etc. It is just as useless as an apologist, priest, preacher, or rabbi when it comes to the non-existent supernatural or the nebulous field of “metaphysics” that theists love to abuse.

I’m sure…

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TheEncogitationer wrote:
Reg, Robert, PopeBeanie, and Simon: Now do you see why I am simply non-plussed by AI as it is currently constructed? It puts out affirmation for every bit of nonsense King Iyk asserts. He’s turned AI into an “Eliza” program that guzzles every Kilowatt the power plants can crank out until the lights start flickering out,…

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Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
In simple terms, the concept of the Trinity was introduced to force monotheism upon the new religion. Without it, Christianity would be a polytheist cult. It is not mentioned in the Bible. The Trinity only survives by never being stated clearly but it fails because it asks identity to do something identity cannot do.…

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@Simon – “They don’t share their entire beings, yet they share their God-nature.”

This is not Nicene Trinitarianism. The orthodoxy explicitly says that ‘Each person is fully God”. Not partially god, not a piece of God and certainly not overlapping subsets. When you say “The Venn diagram doesn’t fully overlap” you are asserting partial identit…[Read more]

I wonder what Arius who make of this version of Who by Fire (Leonard Cohen). I think Arius would be allergic to metaphysical inflation and ask Christians to stop smuggling mystery in where clarity will do. He would say that there is one ultimate source (God the Father). Creation runs largely on order, consequence, and necessity and there is no…[Read more]