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TheEncogitationer wrote:
Fellow Unbelievers, Sorry, I didn’t mean to repeat myself.

Not sure if this topic has been addressed but it is something that occurs to me from time to time.

People who are influential in various fields are well advised to choose their words carefully. Creationists are wont to seize on any soundbite that makes evolution seem questionable to the casual observer. Einstein never should have said god doesn’t…[Read more]

Reg,

Nota bene The inspiration for Orwell’s character of Big Brother was none other than JHVH-1 His Own Self.

Unseen wrote:
You have to remember the difference in what they may believe to be moral.

I think religious morality has plus and minus points.  “To please God” or “to get into heaven” aren’t bad reasons for doing moral things.

But like you say, different people think different things are moral.  The biggest drawback with religion is its t…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
“Name one moral action performed by a believer that could not have been done by a nonbeliever.”

Ummm… Bombing an abortion clinic? Murdering a doctor who performs abortions in their driveway in front of their wife/husband and/or their children?

You have to remember the difference in what they may believe to be moral.

Identify moral actions performed by an atheist that violate religious norms/codes/laws?

Identify religious norms/codes/laws that are immoral?

And yet many atheists are defensive, deferential about morality and say stupid shit like i can be good without god.

“What do you think, that i buried her behind this wall? Is that what you think?”

Yeah, they can’t seem to grasp that “judgement day”, as administered by the omniscient one, is just a symbolic formality.

However, Satan may have some accommodation issues if he doesn’t have advanced knowledge of our final verdict. It would seem he should at least have a very educated guess since he was causing all that temptation. Exactly how…[Read more]

Here is a question I like to ask theists in a “morality debate”. It usually goes along these lines:

Why is your god “always watching” you.

Pray tell Reg but whatever do you mean?

Can you please answer a straightforward question with an answer for once.

Our God is always with us so He sees all the deeds we do.

But why does He have to watch…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
“Name one moral action performed by a believer that could not have been done by a nonbeliever.”

I think that’s not the point. It’s not either/or. It’s good that both exist.

Simon, which is the more moral choice? The one a person makes because they are afraid an authoritarian god is watching…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
“Name one moral action performed by a believer that could not have been done by a nonbeliever.”

I think that’s not the point.  It’s not either/or.  It’s good that both exist.

@Simon – But when they do moral and ethical behavior well, they do it as well as or better than anyone else.

The Hitchens Challenge;

“Name one moral action performed by a believer that could not have been done by a nonbeliever.”

_Robert_ wrote:
Simon, isn’t the main point of Christianity to evade responsibility for immoral behavior? No matter what you do, just believe and you will be OK. That’s why Jesus lives mostly in prisons. It’s why evangelical preachers do the shittiest things…and then often issue a statement and then just get on with the grifting.

It’s not news th…[Read more]