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[UnseenParticipant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Fellow Unbelievers, Sorry, I didn’t mean to repeat myself.

[jakelafortParticipant]

The disproportionate contribution to science made by Jews is freaky. So is the disproportionate and often inaccurate laser focus on Israel as it prosecutes its war against Islam. How many lefties have even a passing familiarity with the following other than Ukraine where targeting civilians is not a topic of concern: Ukraine. Syria. Yemen. Nigeria. Burkina Faso. Sudan. Haiti. Congo. Afghanistan. Myanmar. Ethiopia. (Wherever a nation is Islamic it is oppression central.) And i am sure there are others locales. Hardly any mainstream media coverage other than Ukraine. No Jews no news. The death total in Israel/Gaza is not exactly shocking in relation to others. It proves that there are only crocodile tears for the Palestinians. No coverage for the Palestinians in Arab/Muslim nations who are subject to apartheid states.

That laser focus on Israel results in less focus anywhere else in the world. And no focus on Islam so Islam goes on its merry way seeking that world caliphate and oppressing Muslims and minorities unopposed. And the lefties who are influenced by the propaganda machine of Qutar which has purchased influence in our institutions of higher learning…cough, cough has caused the mindless and myriad masses to be infected with mind viruses. Anything to calumniate Jews who are the only people held collectively responsible for perceived wrongdoings of a state.

These bozos ought to know better. Like i recently mentioned with famous scientists who invoke god they are giving ammunition neeedlessly. I feel that examination of the far right is like shooting wounded ducks in a bathtub. But they are equally despicable-that is if i posit free will and knowledge.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-855992

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jake,

Neil DeGrasse Tyson is in error about Economics not being a science, and in the larger body of the speech, he is in error on the origins of the numbers we use (they are Sanskrit, not Arabic.). But his basic position on contributions to science is correct.

In the larger speech he pointed out the religious reason why the Islamic world is behind: Around the Twelveth Century the Quranic scholar Al-Ghazali held that proficiency with numbers was from Al-Shaytan (Satan.). No numbers means no quantifying or measure of anything and thus no science. And the rest is history.

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[jakelafortParticipant]

Enco,

In a way it is apples to morons comparing Jews to Muslims. Jews are an ethnicity and Muslims are morons the world over. To be in that cult is to experience a retardation in terms of intellectual development. Everything is explained. Just go to the mosque and all of the answers are given. Conform to all of the islamic norms or be punished/executed. There is no call to think or question anything. Doing so brands you a maverick and is risky business. If you are not able to question you are not exactly fit for science.

I was actually curious to compare orthodox Jews to Muslims in terms of scientific awards. Not much help from meta. They’re all a bunch of freaks. Religion is mind poison. I can’t help but compare today’s Muslims to yesteryears Christians. Wherever Religion is strong ignorance and stagnation reign.

[UnseenParticipant]

jakelafort wrote:

The disproportionate contribution to science made by Jews is freaky. So is the disproportionate and often inaccurate laser focus on Israel as it prosecutes its war against Islam. How many lefties have even a passing familiarity with the following other than Ukraine where targeting civilians is not a topic of concern: Ukraine. Syria. Yemen. Nigeria. Burkina Faso. Sudan. Haiti. Congo. Afghanistan. Myanmar. Ethiopia. (Wherever a nation is Islamic it is oppression central.)

 

Whataboutist argument (“Whatabout all these other instances of oppression and/or genocide? Why are you picking on us? Is it because we are Jewish?”)

The Jewish State, not being Islamic, should be better than the Islamists rather than trying to out-outrage them.

Once again, while there is antisemitism, opposing how Netanyahu’s administration prosecutes the war on humanitarian grounds is not antisemitism.

Netanyahu wants to drag out the war in order to avoid prison, He’s currently involved in a trial, accused of breach of trust, accepting bribes, and fraud. (Sound like anyone else you might know about?)

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[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

So what is it, War, Genocide, or Apartheid? Anti-Israel protesters keep moving the goalposts here.

And while Whataboutism is a Logical Fallacy, isn’t is also a Logical Faux Pas to have the soft bigotry of lowered expectations for Islamic and Third World peoples?

Again, October 7 happened on Netanyahu’s watch, so he’s not above scrutiny here.

[UnseenParticipant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Unseen, So what is it, War, Genocide, or Apartheid? Anti-Israel protesters keep moving the goalposts here.

Why do you assume they all speak with one voice? I’ll stick with genocide for myself. It sure looks like Netanyahu and his ilk won’t be done until the last man, woman, child, and infant is pushing up daisies. Apartheid was more applicable before the genocide began.

And while Whataboutism is a Logical Fallacy, isn’t is also a Logical Faux Pas to have the soft bigotry of lowered expectations for Islamic and Third World peoples?

Who said anything about lower expectations for Islamic and Third World peoples. Not I.

Again, October 7 happened on Netanyahu’s watch, so he’s not above scrutiny here.

You betcha. I think the reason he keeps the war going is to save his own ass. Like Trump, he don’t give a shyte about anyone else.

And, while it’s too late to fix it, I go back to my original assertion that the world would be far less close to WW3 had Israel neverr been formed in the first place. Another case of major powers doing under the table deals with horrific consequences.

l’ll just have to assume that under the many worlds hypothesis, if true, our leaders chose more wisely.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

Why do you assume they all speak with one voice? I’ll stick with genocide for myself. It sure looks like Netanyahu and his ilk won’t be done until the last man, woman, child, and infant is pushing up daisies. Apartheid was more applicable before the genocide began.

The Anti-Israel protestors are alleging all three.

So, if Israel is genocidal against Palestinians, why is Israel sending in food aid and trying to stop Hamas from using food aid as a weapon to control Palestinians? And why does Israel even allow Palestinians in to work jobs? And why does Israel have road signs and official documents in Arab, Hebrew, and English?

Who said anything about lower expectations for Islamic and Third World peoples. Not I.

You just said that Israel should be held to a higher standard than its Islamic enemies and Third World nations.

I think you misunderstood my position on Netanyahu. He deserves scrutiny because Mossad’s failure of intelligence and the failure to interdict Hamas in time to stop the October 7th pogrom was under his administration.

And, while it’s too late to fix it, I go back to my original assertion that the world would be far less close to WW3 had Israel never been formed in the first place. Another case of major powers doing under the table deals with horrific consequences.

l’ll just have to assume that under the many worlds hypothesis, if true, our leaders chose more wisely.

Meanwhile, in the only world that actually exists, Islamic terrorists in Pakistan were attacking India and trying to escalate a war between India and Pakistan that could easily turn nuclear, with responses by other nuclear powers Red China, Russia, France, Great Britain, and the U.S….and it could have happened in the past or could happen now even if Israel never existed.

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[jakelafortParticipant]

Enco,

Whataboutism with respect to my POV regarding the mythology and religion of lefty Jew Hatred is itself a way to deflect. It is a lowlife rhetorical tactic and a mainstay in the narratives of the lefty religionists. It keeps the lefties in a nice safe space where they can attack Jews and never look in the mirror.

While it is perfectly valid to declare whataboutism when the speaker is seeking to avoid examining the thing in itself it is perfectly misplaced when it is asserted to prevent criticism of their mythology and lefty religion of Jew hatred.

To illustrate lets suppose the speaker says Israel is not a White colonialist settler, apartheid genocidal state. In turn the responder says Israelis are all White people who colonized the land & have no connection to it and stole it from the Palestinians who have lived their for millenia. Further the laws are discriminatory with respect to Arab Israelis and Jews are trying to kill all of the Gazans and not just the terrorists who they elected. At that point it is time to debate the issues. If the speaker addresses the mythology of the lefty at this point it is simply a debate. It follows naturally that terms are defined and issues are addressed. But if the speaker says whatabout blah blah blah then they are guilty of whataboutism.

I have listened to the lefties and they are using the same holy book. Same tactics are regurgitated endlessly. It is interesting though how lefties will stop ya short when ya criticize Islamic ideas and practices and call ya out on being racist and islamophobic. So they are protecting Islam the worst offender in the modern world of decency and a real threat to the west. Concomitantly they will whataboutya if you point out their blatant hypocrisy, racism and Jew hating mythology/religion. I am gonna refrain from exposing all of their bs at this point. Whatabout that?

[jakelafortParticipant]

Yeah Enco you are debating the allegations and avoiding whataboutism. Reminds me of law. HEARSAY! Hearsay as a general rule is not admissible. Objection, hearsay! The proponent counters with one of the exceptions to the rule like excited utterance. “Oh my fucking god that guy is naked in public and trying to make that goat pregant!” Earmarks of reliability in being an honest account of what the witness saw. So the whataboutism/hearsay is no good in one context and good in another.

[_Robert_Participant]

And just like the Jews and Arabs fighting over a sandbox patch under scorching sun, billions of Indians and Pakistanis are divided by imaginary gods and religion.

We just can’t rise above it, can we? The entire bell curve is not centered at reality. The median value is close to “moronic delusions”. No way to hit reset, clean out the cobwebs of antiquity.

Thousands of rotting bodies right now fertilizing Ukranian sunflowers in between the shell craters because of a single “god-like” human authoritarian/dictator. We don’t care if they are real or imaginary, we must be led. We have made zero real mental progress to show for our 250k years of evolution

 

[UnseenParticipant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

The Anti-Israel protestors are alleging all three.

The fallacy of composition is a logical fallacy that occurs when one incorrectly assumes that what is true for the parts of a whole must also be true for the whole itself. In other words, it’s the mistake of attributing a characteristic of individual members or parts to the entire group or system, without sufficient justification.

As for food aid provided by Israel…

Insufficient Aid: Aid groups, including the World Food Programme (WFP), report that the amount of aid entering Gaza is nowhere near enough to meet the overwhelming demand. They state that the current flow is a “trickle” compared to the hundreds of trucks per day needed.

Distribution Challenges: The new GHF system has faced criticism for violating humanitarian principles. Aid organizations, including the UN, have refused to cooperate with it, arguing that it allows Israel to control who receives aid and forces people to travel to specific, often unsafe, distribution sites, risking further displacement. Reports indicate that GHF distribution has been marred by chaos and incidents of gunfire near aid centers, resulting in dozens of casualties among Palestinians attempting to receive food.

Security Concerns: UN agencies and aid groups report facing challenges in distributing aid due to escalating insecurity along routes, being given “inappropriate routes,” and long delays in receiving approvals from Israeli authorities to move aid. There have also been instances of desperate civilians rushing and offloading aid trucks due to extreme hunger.

Blocked Aid: Despite the dire need, tens of thousands of tons of food and medicine are reportedly moldering in warehouses in Jordan and at Israeli border crossings, prevented from entering Gaza. UN officials state that Israel has made it clear it will no longer allow aid from Jordan or Egypt through certain mechanisms.

Accusations of Misuse: While Israel accuses Hamas of siphoning off aid, the UN and other aid officials state that Israel has not provided evidence of systematic diversion. Conversely, some UN experts and humanitarian organizations have accused Israel of “deliberate misuse of humanitarian language and mechanisms” to control Gaza and deny life-saving aid.

As for holding Israel to a higher standard. No, the same standard. I’m not for grading either party on a curve. If you (or a government) sets one’s standards of conduct according sa lowest common denomenator set by the opposition, that is one way to lose one’s/a government’s (figurative) soul.

Meanwhile, in the only world that actually exists, Islamic terrorists in Pakistan were attacking India and trying to escalate a war between India and Pakistan that could easily turn nuclear, with responses by other nuclear powers Red China, Russia, France, Great Britain, and the U.S….and it could have happened in the past or could happen now even if Israel never existed.

Yeah…just grear, isn’t it? But, on the bright side (for me), you’re obliquely validating my original argument about the dire consequences of the creation of artificial countries like Israel, Pakistan, India, Czechoslovakia, the two Koreas, etc.

Gotta go. Got other things to do today.

 

 

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[UnseenParticipant]

Actively seeking pariah state status!

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[UnseenParticipant]

@Enco

Feeding Gazan civilians you say? WTH are you talking about?

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

The fallacy of composition is a logical fallacy that occurs when one incorrectly assumes that what is true for the parts of a whole must also be true for the whole itself. In other words, it’s the mistake of attributing a characteristic of individual members or parts to the entire group or system, without sufficient justification.

War, Genocide, and Apartheid are the only accusations I’ve heard directed to Israel, with war being the only justified one, and that war is justly declared against an aggressor.

If Anti-Israel protesters have other accusations, I am open to hearing them.

As for food aid provided by Israel…

Problems of sufficiency, distribution, and security of aid would not be problems if Israel were genocidal, because a genocidal Israel wouldn’t even bother with sending or allowing aid. And the UN has never been an impartial reporter or aid dispenser, since it had Hamas members in its midst.

Also, no aid would be needed if Hamas didn’t start the pogrom on October 7th and drag Palestinian civilians along for the crazy train.

Yeah…just grear, isn’t it? But, on the bright side (for me), you’re obliquely validating my original argument about the dire consequences of the creation of artificial countries like Israel, Pakistan, India, Czechoslovakia, the two Koreas, etc.

All countries are “artificial” because they are human creations. Also, Czechoslovakia divided amicably without bloodshed and both halves interact peacefully.

Gotta go. Got other things to do today.

Fair enough. Indefensible positions are tedious work.

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