Does history attest to the accuracy of the prophecy of the book of revelation ?

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    I have Jean Claude Van Dammed that “Beast from Brussels” story a few times. Once we learn to think critically rather than to think magically we can almost “know” that a story is false. Not all swans are white so it can pay dividend to look for black ones.

    Michael, you now say the story is preposterous but for how long have you believed it to be true?

    How long have you believed that you can communicate with the Creator of the Universe?

    Do you think it likely that the “true” followers of Jesus will become immortal?

    #30149

    michael17
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    I have Jean Claude Van Dammed that “Beast from Brussels” story a few times. Once we learn to think critically rather than to think magically we can almost “know” that a story is false. Not all swans are white so it can pay dividend to look for black ones. Michael, you now say the story is preposterous but for how long have you believed it to be true? How long have you believed that you can communicate with the Creator of the Universe? Do you think it likely that the “true” followers of Jesus will become immortal?

    i was never aware of the full story. I thought that it was a statement of fact that a computer in Brussels was called the beast. I was  never aware of the fantastic details that followed the story. As such, I had no reason to question it.  Certainly the full story is preposterous. There is a laundry list of preposterous ideas in mainstream Christian eschatological literature. I encountered 40 years worth of it.

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    #30151

    jakelafort
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    Yeah Michael, mainstream christian eschatological ideas are preposterous. The rest of the stuff makes perfect sense..talking snakes, virgin birth, transubstantiation, original sin… Lucky for us you have the perspicacity to divine and decipher the actual eschatology.

    What would it take to make you realize that your ideas about prophecy are false, that Christianity is an anachronistic, primitive religion, that it in no way describes reality and that its existence is a continuing source of harm and suffering? What if it were some of the great minds of all time…idk..David Hume, Bertrand Russell, Christopher Hitchens, Ludwig Feuerbach? I don’t think a tag team of all stars would make a dent in your perspective. You’ve heard of drain the main vein? It would require drain the main brain.

    #30152

    michael17
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    @jakelafort

    Talking snakes and transubstantiation are from Roman Christianity and non – biblical The assumption of the Virgin and mariology  are also Roman and the bases for the belief in the  false apparition. The virgin birth and the talking serpent are biblical and can be questioned by nonbelievers.

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    #30155

    jakelafort
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    Michael, which version of the bible are you relying on? Why should anyone think it is reliable/word of god? Since old and new testament have been changed so many times by scribes what makes you think you have access to the bible?

    Is your belief faith-based only or is there some rational basis for you being a Christian? If it is rational then how do you reconcile it with science? What is the rational basis of it?

    What happened to people before Christianity? Lets arbitrarily say 62,000 years ago did people go to heaven and hell? If so what did the decision-maker utilize in sending decedents to one place or the other?

    #30156

    Davis
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    Rationalwiki is a wonderful and  hilarious source for all the numerous problems with the bible. There are numerous articles (some very well documented and written). My three favourites are:

    Prophecies

    Historical accuracy

    Scientific errors

    #30157

    michael17
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    Davis wrote:Rationalwiki is a wonderful and hilarious source for all the numerous problems with the bible. There are numerous articles (some very well documented and written). My three favourites are: Prophecies Historical accuracy Scientific error

    There are apologist refutations in same wiki article, but in regard to Tyre, relative to the original island state, it was completely destroyed and the island no longer exists as such. The land got absorbed and a redistricted area is named Tyre built on ruins which are not from the original island city state.

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    #30160

    jakelafort
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    Come on man!

    Lets learn something. EVANGELIZE!

    Give your world view. You have as yet done nothing (from my perspective) to separate yourself from the theistic pack. You say you have high iq…you say you have devoted a significant portion of your life to this endeavor. Convince us. Give anything at all that is probative or makes us reconsider or wonder.

    #30161

    _Robert_
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    A forum quotation system seems to elude the prophet. Nothing to learn here.

    #30162

    michael17
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    Come on man! Lets learn something. EVANGELIZE! Give your world view. You have as yet done nothing (from my perspective) to separate yourself from the theistic pack. You say you have high iq…you say you have devoted a significant portion of your life to this endeavor. Convince us. Give anything at all that is probative or makes us reconsider or wonder.

    I don’t heal the sick, cleanse the leper nor raise the dead, so I don’t have the signs of his true body. I financed trips to Jerusalem and Alasehir ,Turkey

    looking for the remnant that works wonders, without which there are no sign of them that believe. I went to Solomon’s Portico every day and had someone canvas Alasehir to receive the second birth that Christ spoke of. To receive the comforter that will dwell with me forever. Roman appears to have martyred the entire body for the assemblies in Asia Minor and Jerusalem don’t appear to exist anymore. However we are inundated with offshoots from the Roman Church who haven’t fallen very far from tree and are Babylon-ish.  With every thing from Church steeple (obelisks as at the Vatican for the defied   Nimrod), crosses for the god Tammuz, Mitered hats for the fish god Dagan,  Christmas holidays (winter solstice observance, Sunday worship, window clerestory, the Trinity, praying to Roman saints, worshiping Mary, the Babylonian Goddess Isthar Astarte repackaged, incense, statuary etc.  The promulgation of the Lie and it’s imposition by the sword with its martyrdoms is my greatest evidence that true body once existed in much greater numbers.

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    #30171

    @michael17 – I have tidied up a few repetitive posts for you.

    #30173

    There is a laundry list of preposterous ideas in mainstream Christian eschatological literature. I encountered 40 years worth of it.

    I know how that feels Michael :-). I have occasionally despaired of the infantile mentality of adults that I share the planet with.   I have met a few who could not wait for the End of Days. Some of their laundry lists of silly ideas would not even be cleansed with industrial bleach.

    I suppose we have spent a quarter of those years debating on various Internet forums (or fora if we ever meet on a hill in Rome) and yet I know not what you believe.

    #30176

    jakelafort
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    Michael, let me come at this a different way. I have zero interest in comic books unless the comic book has independent indicia of reliability. A comic book can not authenticate itself.

    Get it? Splain your foundations por favor.

    #30178

    michael17
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    @michael17 – I have tidied up a few repetitive posts for you.

    Thanks!

    #30179

    michael17
    Participant

    There is a laundry list of preposterous ideas in mainstream Christian eschatological literature. I encountered 40 years worth of it. I know how that feels Michael :-). I have occasionally despaired of the infantile mentality of adults that I share the planet with. I have met a few who could not wait for the End of Days. Some of their laundry lists of silly ideas would not even be cleansed with industrial bleach. I suppose we have spent a quarter of those years debating on various Internet forums (or fora if we ever meet on a hill in Rome) and yet I know not what you believe.

    From my recent posts you see that I believe that the  Mary Apparition seen in Egypt by millions is nothing more than than Babylon’s Ishtar (Astarte) the true harlot riding the beast, a lying wonder of  darkness.

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