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  • #41578
    TheEncogitationer
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    Belle Rose,

    Patience, patience. Putin is doing a lot of self-sabotage and is getting undermined by his own men. “Never get in the way of your enemy when he’s about to make a mistake” and “The wise Generaĺ wins without fighting.”–Sun Tzu The Art of War.

    To add to Reg’s and Unseen’s videos:

    Putin’s own men are turning on him:

    Russian POWs say they ‘were used like a meat shield’; ‘They sent us to death’
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/russian-pows-say-they-were-used-like-a-meat-shield-they-sent-us-to-death/

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    #41580

    Russia needs someone like Nadya Tolokonnikova as president.

     

     

    #41581
    jakelafort
    Participant

    Enco, whachu talkin bout?

    Russia and China agreement to delay invasion…so what? How does that make any difference to the dead and those who will be dying soon unnecessarily?

    Totally chimerical nonsense notion but why not encourage surrender and begin a world wide movement to end authoritarianism? And the ice capades? There ya go George.

    #41582
    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    Putin’s Way from 2015, Frontline. I hadn’t seen it until today. Looks pretty ominous.

    I won’t pretend to be an expert on today’s Russian issues, but will say it may be costly to support Ukraine, by extending the war. But what would be the cost of letting Putin have his way with every country around him, for free?

    Also, I think I understand better now why Trump likes him. There really are these evil [sic] people in the world, out to take for themselves as much as they can. Recently, watching Leah Remini’s series on Scientology has helped me understand this, too. Plus, how the cultish nature of Trump and his minions, aka Cult 45, has similarities to David Miscavige and his Scientology suckers. I won’t expand on those side topics here… it’s just that it’s been on my mind now these half dozen years or so. The three seasons are on available on Netflix, I don’t know for how long.

     

    #41583
    jakelafort
    Participant

    Yeah Pope that is the issue i confronted and my resolution is surrender! Save lives and the potential for nuclear annihilation. Submit to the inevitable assuming there is no apparent likelihood of an assassination or diplomatic solution.

    But what precedent is created in doing so? My feeling is when super powers are going after neighbors who were once included then hands off. It ain’t worth the risks involved.

    #41584
    Unseen
    Participant

    WTF is Putin up to? How would another Chernobyl fit into his plans? Is he trying to entice NATO into a war?

    #41585
    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    Yeah, made me wonder why. I don’t think he’ll risk meltdown. Maybe he’s attacking power production so they suffer more from petroleum shortage.

    #41586
    Unseen
    Participant

    Yeah, made me wonder why. I don’t think he’ll risk meltdown. Maybe he’s attacking power production so they suffer more from petroleum shortage.

    If you mean he’s engaging in a form of siege warfare (cutting off food, water, power), yeah. But I hope the operators were able to shut it down. If not, that’s a problem.

    #41587
    _Robert_
    Participant

    The problem is that the US has little moral ground here. Putin watched us invade Iraq on the basis of WMD lies, causing at least 100k civilian casualties.

    #41588
    Unseen
    Participant

    The problem is that the US has little moral ground here. Putin watched us invade Iraq on the basis of WMD lies, causing at least 100k civilian casualties.

    Not to mention the fact that our expansion across the American continent was largely a physical and cultural genocide.

    That aside, I don’t think Putin’s worldview involves any kind of moral analysis.

    #41589
    Unseen
    Participant

    #41590
    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Jake,

    Don”t you get it? When Putin deferred to Xi over when to invade Ukraine, he showed that he wasn’t the bad-ass everybody thinks he is. He showed himself to be a miserable parasite who lives by ties and pull. That report revealed Putin’s thumb-screw, and possibly many thumb-screws relating to Xi’s Red China.

    Now that we know Putin’s thumb-screw, we can get hold of it and turn and turn until it hurts and we can get him to back down.

    Diogenes Lartius, an eccentric philosopher and writer who lived in a barrel in a park in Ancient Greece, was once offered a wish by Alexander The Great, Macedonian conqueror of the known world of his day and regarded by many as a God.

    Diogenes then spoke his wish: “Stand out of my light.” Basically, Diogenes told this global gangster: “Move, Bub! You’re harshing my tan line!”

    🌤🤴😎

    Alexander, instead of killing Diogenes, said to his friends: “If I were not Alexander The Great, I would wish to be Diogenes!”

    Diogenes then replied: “If I were not Diogenes, I would also wish to be Diogenes!”

    Robert Kraft could have easily been Diogenes to Vlad The Impaler and The Little Bush Boy both and offered them a box of Cracker Jack if they love rings and their accompanying prestige so much.

    Likewise, all people of the world who love Life, Liberty, Property, and The Persuit of Happiness can equally stand up and tell all would-be world conquerors like Putin to stop throwing shade and break out the Super Soakers to back up their demand.

    Again, Frederick Douglass put it so well: “Power concedes nothing without a demand…”

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    #41592
    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Robert and Unseen,

    Governments of the world, including the U.S. Government, have no moral standing on matters of human rights and peace. But each of us as individuals and united as private organizations, do have such moral standing.

    #41593
    Davis
    Participant

    It is nonsense to blame an invasion of a country that poses no significant treat to another country as “provoked” by others because they are members of voluntary organisations. Total absolute nonsense. There is no reason that Russia could not join these organisations if they were sincere in respecting the values behind that organisation. There never needed to be a Russia vs everyone else in the west and all these countries have every reason to have aligned values. Former Soviet block members and Slavic countries are part of NATO and the EU, Russia easily could be so and it takes infantile logic to see how it would benefit all.

    Russia is invading Ukraine because it is in the interests of the leaders and their elites. It has nothing to do with these fables of “security” or creating a “sphere of influence”. Those are excuses. This invasion is a catastrophe for Russia’s long term influences. Inviting other countries to join voluntary global organisations is not a bad thing. Only people like Chomsky could frame it as so. As though it is the fault of voluntary organisations like the EU and NATO for not discarding possible members because of the ludicrous greed and ambition of the leaders of a former super power.

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    #41595
    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    Hopefully, Ukranian builders of nuclear reactors will have learned the lessons of Chernobyl and built protective walls around the core and graphite control rods going downward instead of sideways.

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