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Sunday School 1st August 2021

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    Americans who attend church services at least once a month are more likely to view the QAnon conspiracy theory favorably. Yes, it happens when your reality is built upon magical thinking in the first place.

    Some more adult men ask their imaginary god for assistance against the antichrist. Personally, I think they close their eyes to avoid seeing how ridiculous they look.

    US Supreme Court favors religion in emergency reviews in 10 out of 10 cases.

    Former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick has been charged with sexually assaulting a teenage boy in 1974.

    Rick Wiles blames vaccine shredding for his COVID infection. If he had worn a mask and kept 6 feet away from the vaccinated, he might not have caught the satanic serum.

    Is it legal to ask nominees to federal office if the dogma lives loudly within them?

    The Catholic oppression of women in Poland.

    Anti-LGBTQ megachurch loses lawsuit to get people to stop calling them a hate group.

    England: Schools aren’t there to save the church, at least not with state funding.

    An MP in the UK calls for an end to religious discrimination in parliament.

    Closet atheists abound in America.

    American Atheists reacts to Biden nominees for key Religious Affairs roles.

    World of Woo: Pseudoscience at the Olympics.

    Environment: Can we trust the climate scientists?

    Is the use of fire an example of rapid cultural evolution and do errors in transmitting information also influence it?

    Less than 0.1% of vaccinated Americans tested positive for COVID-19.

    Around the World in 50,000 Years: The Genetics of Race.

    Yet another stray cat recently decided to Airbnb in my house. How to they know I am cool with this in the first place? On the third day it rose for the couch, full of tuna and chicken, stared a me for a minute and left.

    A new project aims to create a detailed 3-D map of the Universe.

    Our survey said “belief and doubt are mutually exclusive but only from a Christian perspective”!

    Long Reads: Asia Bibi is still paying a price for being innocent. The unmaking of Biblical Womanhood. The insect apocalypse: ‘Our world will grind to a halt without them’ (or maybe it won’t). What if Olympic athletes went back to competing naked?

    Remembering Steven Weinberg, the Nobel-prize winning physicist who argued with God.

    Sunday Book Club: The Extended Mind.

    Some photographs taken last week.

    While you are waiting for the kettle to boil……

    Coffee Break Video:  The Truth About Climate Change from the BBC. The Science of Time.

    #38431

    Have a great week everyone!

     

    #38432

    Strega
    Moderator

    Thanks, Reg!!!

    #38435

    Unseen
    Participant

    Regarding “Report: US Supreme Court favors religion in emergency reviews”

    The First Amendment is a mixed bag for U.S.  atheists. What (at least theoretically) protects us, also protects the magical thinkers.

    #38436

    Unseen
    Participant

    Can we trust the climate scientists? Can we trust scientists in general? Do we place to much trust in the “experts” (argumentum ad verecundiam)?

    For decades, the environmentalists have played the role of Chicken Little claiming a doom that never showed up in their offered timeframe. Hence, the public ignored their probably true but wrongly time-scaled prognostications.

    In other words, when the sky didn’t fall, trust did.

    Al Gore: ghost of climate change past

    The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science

     

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    #38438

    TheEncogitationer
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    Reg,

    An interesting, thought-provoking line-up of stories as always.

    What gets me is why in the Hell are those already vaccinated now being demanded to wear the mask anyway, even though the upcoming booster shot is supposed to offset the Delta strain of COVID-19?

    Doesn’t this new call for the vaccinated to mask up just feed into the paranoia of Q-Anonners and the Rev. Rick Wileses of the world?  And are we going to have to endure months more of masks that say: “God Is Good” and “Faith Not Fear?”

    And would the COVID-19 have had time to mutate if bureaucratic regulations not stopped the production and sale of early tests, PPE, and sanitizer?  And would the virus have had time to mutate if the WHO, CDC, Dr. Fauchi, and others just got on the same page on what citizens should do in the wake of the crisis???

    All of this has made me mad enough to want to double down on Emperor Xi and The Butchers of Beijing for the cover-up and unleashing of this crud upon the rest of the world.  (Whether it was engineered or not does not relieve the government of responsibility for the cover-up and murder of Doctors who identified the infection.)

    And what is up with the water in Fort Lauderdale, Florida?  On one hand you have Coral Ridge Ministries rightly accused of anti-LGBTQ hatred by The Southern Poverty Law Center (a.k.a. “The lady doth protest too much, methinks” who has it’s own problems of bias and discrimination.)  Yet the Gay Mayor of Fort Lauderdale Dean Trantalis wants to honor Coral Ridge Ministries???

    Ft. Lauderdale’s out mayor will honor an anti-LGBTQ hate group because it’s time to “let go”

    https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/03/ft-lauderdales-mayor-will-honor-anti-lgbtq-hate-group-time-let-go/

    Why don’t Coral Ridge Ministries, the SPLC, and Mayor Trantalis all just get together in one big circle jerk orgy and get it all out of their systems?  You know they all probably want to in their heart of hearts and cup of cups!

    I guess Florida Man’s gonna Florida Man, no matter how he swings!

     

    #38439

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Unseen,

    Fair questions all.  Since trust depends on the efforts of other human beings, trust is certainly not a right and those who want it, no matter what their profession or who they are, have to earn that trust, again, by showing their homework, and doing it in a way that the intelligent lay audience can understand.

    #38440

    Unseen
    Participant

    @theencogitationer:

    On Facebook I’m in a constant tug of war with a rightwinger who’s a bottomless pit of reasons not to get vaccinated. It always comes down to “You can’t trust the CDC’s statistics” and the reason is that when people die of other things, he says, and they test Covid-19 positive. they will count it as a Covid death.

    I explained to him that the statistics you see on the news aren’t due to reading death certificates, they are the result of calculating what’s called “excess deaths.”

    In other words, in normal years, the rate of death for a given city, county, or state is a known value (or narrow range of values).

    Take an imaginary city. An average monthly death rate for that city is 120-125. However, last month, during the pandemic,  it was 152. Let’s average the normal death rate to 122. It would appear that the pandemic caused around 30 excess deaths.

    The beauty of this method is that no matter how unintentionally erroneous or intentionally-slanted the cause of death on the death certificates, those are totally ignored and an accurate count is arrived at.

    There is only one way to attack this method which is to claim that the excess deaths are at least in part caused by something beside the pandemic, but to make this claim you’d have to provide a candidate and evidence.

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    #38444

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Unseen,

    I would say both the method he cited and the method you cited are fraught with error and folly.

    A more accurate method would be not only presence of the COVID-19 virus, but also other fatal complications that would have a demonstrable one-to-one causal connection with the virus, and with all other possible causes ruled out.

    Maybe I’m asking too much that can be delivered on the fly, especially when you also consider that not all Coroners are Physicians, but that method would prima facie make sense.

    Speaking of methodology, I just heard going into work today that  WHO is now denying that a booster shot is necessary for dealing with the Delta variant.

    I’m thinking: “Whatever!  If it does no demonstrable harm, it’s met the first requirement of the Physician’s task and I get annual flu shots anyway, plus others as they come due, so why not?”

    All I ask of everyone in this fight is please, make it stop, get the economy open again, stop paying people to just exist with the taxation, privation, and debt-slavery of future generations, and get us back to what once counted as a normal life!

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    #38446

    _Robert_
    Participant

    The excess death method is absolutely the best method if there are no other massive causes of death in a given year, IMHO. The year over year number is so large and barely budges. The delta would account for indirect deaths that may be attributed to a pandemic as well, such as people who avoid medical attention to also avoid possible exposure. Then for years we will have effects from the additional obesity and boozing gained during lock-downs.

    #38447

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Robert,

    A further complication to the excess death method is that we’ve experienced a massive spike in crime as a result of the riots nationwide over George Floyd.

    That would not only include the murders that took place in the immediate rioting, but also people who died who couldn’t get to emergency care because street rabble were blocking traffic for EMS vehicles.

    Then there are people who couldn’t get access to life-saving food or medicine because trucks were blocked and stores were destroyed.

    Then there are people killed in fires that fire departments couldn’t respond to in time due to fighting fires caused by rioters.

    Then there are people who were murdered in non-riot related crimes which police couldn’t respond to in time because they were tied up with putting down rioters.

    Or worse, there were murders because police were and are cowed from responding to crimes by fear of unfounded accusations of brutality or racism, or because police have all of a sudden decided to retire and the force is dwindling by attrition (as in New York City) or because competant prospective police officers never enter the force in the first place.

    When you factor all this into play, “excess deaths” can be very hard, if not impossible, to calculate.

    Oh, and how much COVID-19 spead and death can be attributed to rioting where thugs indiffernt to Life, Liberty, and Property certainly can’t be bothered with such niceties as social distancing, masking, sanitizing, or even baths.  Not so simple.

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    #38450

    _Robert_
    Participant

    Enco, even considering the amount of deaths attributed to protests concerning the murder of G. Floyd in the wake of  this virus would be typical of a right wing radio talk show host, LOL. Come on man, how about a sense of scale. You know how the the MAGA/Qanon morons are so clueless about large numbers. For months on end this virus was the equal of twenty loaded airliners going down per day. But it is a hoax they believe, some as they even lie dying. Funny how a few of my “fox news addicted” former coworkers have somehow become instant socialists, allowing the state to absorb their their extended hospital bills, LOL. Can’t wait to yank their chains a bit.

    #38451

    Unseen
    Participant

    Here’s my belated contribution to this week’s Sunday School:

    These maps show you which US crops will be wiped out by the current devastating drought

    There is a drought that never seems to make it onto the evening news. When bread and beer start becoming scarce, will that jog the news sources into noticing this crisis?

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    #38453

    Unseen
    Participant
    #38454

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    What gets me is why in the Hell are those already vaccinated now being demanded to wear the mask anyway, even though the upcoming booster shot is supposed to offset the Delta strain of COVID-19?

    Because we’ve recently learned that the vaccinated can still get infected, and more importantly, can infect others. The math is simple, even if it seems unfair. And booster shots aren’t yet affecting the equation as much as bad behavior is, and won’t as long as so many people choose to behave ignorantly just for the sake of bucking science and health care system.

    The whole war against covid’s been lost so far, and continues to lose because of lack of timely action of institutions, overwhelmingly careless behavior in groups of people, and lack of overall health care preparedness.

    Doesn’t this new call for the vaccinated to mask up just feed into the paranoia of Q-Anonners and the Rev. Rick Wileses of the world?  And are we going to have to endure months more of masks that say: “God Is Good” and “Faith Not Fear?”

    Of course it feeds their paranoia, but overall, is it better to pander to their cognitive failings by just cancelling all messages to mask up?

    And would the COVID-19 have had time to mutate if bureaucratic regulations not stopped the production and sale of early tests, PPE, and sanitizer?  And would the virus have had time to mutate if the WHO, CDC, Dr. Fauchi, and others just got on the same page on what citizens should do in the wake of the crisis???

    Yay on the problem with bureaucratic regulations, but how many politically motivated covid deniers actually tried to fix this problem?  I’m personally extremely disappointed about health professionals downplaying the importance of rapid test technology of the kind that every person (e.g. school-bound kids) could be taking every day for only the cost of $1 a pop if it was given sufficient research funding and investments into production.

    And yay wrt what you point out on the failure of experts and health org voices to improve on coherence in messaging. But covid’s been an evasive target since the beginning, with people even now, still blaming and discrediting Fauci for not recommending masks until the world came around to wearing their own, home-made masks. He (and all other voices) had to protect health care workers first, during the mask shortage, and no one predicted how (e.g.) nurses would show regular people how to make their own masks.

    For fuck sake, there are still idiots out there saying that masks are UNhealthy to wear, or they think they’re promoting social justice and personal freedom in America by not wearing them.

    Institutional insufficiencies and lack of general preparedness for pandemics (which btw have been long predicted but ignored) was allowed to occur, while systemically giving short-sited, higher priority to the health of quarterly profit-based institutions. This ignorance and blindered idealism has made the whole world sick, and in the long term sense. We were not prepared for covid and other likely pathogens, and  we’re still not even considering the next pandemic. Politics as usual don’t have what it takes to step up into  long-term, public health oriented prevention mode. As a whole, we are still acting like short-sighted, proudly ignorant idiots.

    Just one more for-fuck-sake comment, I never would have predicted how people would go so all-out to blame the bio and medical experts for these failures. Our failures are institutional, at the highest levels of politics, and at the lowest level of the voting public who put so much faith into those self-serving politicians, over the voices of science and medicine.

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