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[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

 You ask for a shred of evidence and yet you can’t give me a straight answer of what would convince you.

I know what it is not.  It is not personal opinion. That is not evidence. Anything that would show me that a god existed would be evidence. Anything that pointed me to discovering a god would be evidence.

I have concluded that no god exists because I have found no reason to suggest otherwise. I do not believe humans can talk to the Creator of the Universe. I do not believe the dead come back to life. I do not believe humans become immortal for believing they have become immortal for believing their personal opinion is justifiable evidence for claiming such things. When I hear adults telling me that the Creator of the Universe is guiding their lives by taking a personal interest in them I cannot help but think they are suffering from a delusion.

Do they really expect me to believe them when they claim that they not only hear gods’ voice speaking to them via supernatural telepathy but that he can read their minds? Do they really wonder why I don’t believe that the dead have been resurrected or that they are immortals? They insist this is all true based on their personal opinion and think it legitimate to ask me what it would take to believe what they believe.

A theists shred of evidence might convince me but they don’t have any.

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@Davis

No what I meant is that I was again my quote since we’ve been hashing out Genesis, I said Quote: “It is subjective and it is about each individual person but at the same time there are some basic things that you can’t change for example No, I don’t believe that Genesis is literal.”.…So what I’m saying is that I don’t think Genesis is literal. My own personal opinion of that is what I meant  won’t change.

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@Regthefronkeyfarmer

I know what it is not. It is not personal opinion. That is not evidence. Anything that would show me that a god existed would be evidence. Anything that pointed me to discovering a god would be evidence.

But God is a personal God so it’s really between you and God. No one can ever convince you of anything or prove anything to you.

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@Reg

I am still asking for your explanation of what happened to me if you don’t think that’s evidence of a God….

[Strega]

@Belle. What if you heard your god telling you to kill your son?  Would that be the point where you started to question your beliefs, or would you follow faithfully?  It’s not as if it couldn’t happen.  How certain are you that you will obey your god?

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

It is very simple for me. You had your DNA tested and compared and discovered your family tree. This is a very common result for people. It turned out another relative did the same and you got in contact. You discovered your family in the State you grew up in. I see nothing miraculous about this. It is a routine process and thousands of people have found family members doing them.

I totally understand that it could seem miraculous. I mean you must have wondered about your birth mother for most of your life and you extended genetic family. To find them so quickly after you officially began your search could be overwhelming. But this is what modern science does. It may have found them in less than a day because all it does is search a database.

I am delighted and very happy for you. I just think it is marvellous but not miraculous. It is objective evidence that science works. You show be thanking the real scientists behind it and not some imaginary god.

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

But God is a personal God so it’s really between you and God. No one can ever convince you of anything or prove anything to you.

Your god may be a personal god but that does not take from the fact that your only evidence is your personal opinion. Is he just your god or could be everyone’s god?

Nothing needs to be proven to me. I just need to see some evidence. If I find it credible I will work to see if I consider believing it justifiable as evidence for the supernatural. If it cannot be justified it will be dismissed. If it can, I will alter my position. I just won’t take a leap of faith when it comes to deciding what can or cannot be true.

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No Reg you missed the point. I did the DNA test months before I found them….Then I KNEW on the plane home that I was going to find them and I did….

Then the same thing happened with my grandmother…

It happened twice….that I heard God tell me when I was going to find them and I was right both times….

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

But God is a personal God so it’s really between you and God.

Then why does he not show up. Why does he expect me to take a leap of faith. If he knows me he would understand me and would intervene to reveal himself to me. Why all the mystery about it? Why is he in hiding from me? I can drive around in my van all day solving mysteries but he could drop a little clue to help. How can it be a relationship if I am left to do all the work. Wait…I think I heard that line before…..!!

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@Reg

Who’s to say you are doing all the work? Could it be that you just decided a long time ago that you didn’t believe in God and you’re hardened to even considering the idea of one? He could have been showing himself to you in various ways throughout your life all this time and you just explained it away to something else….brushed it off….

[Davis]

Belle Rose wrote:

So what I’m saying is that I don’t think Genesis is literal. My own personal opinion of that is what I meant  won’t change.

Okay, that makes sense. Having said that…when it comes to biblical passages, are there incorrect interpretations of these passages?

• This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by Davis.

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@Davis I think there are of course.

[Davis]

Ok. Whats the method for determining if an interpretation is wrong?

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

No. The God you talk of has not has not made the effort. I have had no supernatural experiences. I am sure I would notice the Creator of the Universe if he entered my life. I mean if he was going to reveal himself and can read my mind then he would know how to make a lasting impression. I am certain he never did. Even the few times I almost died hold no significance for me. I do not believe any gods exist in whatever form humans have tried to define them. It is just a lingering deceit from our primitive past. I have dismissed the idea. Sorry but I am bored with the topic and will park it for now.

[Dang Martin]

It was clearly evidence of Krishna, the eighth and most valuable avatar of Vishnu. Duh!

Is there a business card or signature that declares otherwise, or is it just more cultural suggestion?

• This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by Dang Martin.

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