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Sunday School January 29th 2023

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    Have a great week everyone!

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    Belle Rose
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    The Founding Fathers wisely recognized what religion would become in the hands of charlatans.

    Unfortunately we no longer have a separation of church and state in this country. That ship has sailed. It’s like I’ve said in the past, we are now a Third World country with shiny streets lol. I read an article that now places in Europe or warning people about US extremism. There is a video on CNN right now, I can’t figure out how to link it but it’s titled,

    “Terrorism expert: ‘US has emerged as a leading exporter of far-right extremism in Europe.’ Here’s why.” Scary huh!

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    Belle Rose
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    And you wanna know something that nobody really talks about? When you think about it… All the “charlatans” that are in government… They were voted there by the people. So we’re really the ones to blame. The people are the ones to blame. Because they work for us, not the other way around. And it’s the general “average Joe” person of the US, ignorant, uninformed and uneducated believing lies. And then voting according to those lies… That’s the real tragedy and that’s the real problem. Can you imagine what this country would be like if we had voted other people into office? We could be living in a completely different nation. You know, I actually was thinking the other day I wonder what would’ve happened if somebody else had won the presidency in 2016… Just imagine what kind of country we might be.

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    Belle Rose
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    Democracy is only as strong as the people….and so with that in mind, I would say that democracy in the United States is pretty much shot to hell at this point, don’t you think?

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    Belle Rose
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    I would be safer living in Nicaragua 😂 San Juan del Sur here I come!!! 😂 Seriously though… Isn’t it sad that a place like Nicaragua would be safer than the US? Now that is something to think about…

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    Strega
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    Thank you, Reg!

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    Belle Rose
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    Yes Thank you Reg! 😂

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    Simon Paynton
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    Study shows nonreligious individuals hold bias against Christians in science due to perceived incompatibility. … Please tell me how Science and Religion are compatible?

    Surely it’s possible to be a scientific Christian.  A scientist can understand that the universe is put together in a logical fashion, while also believing that a God created it.  But maybe they will skip over some inconsistencies in traditional religion in favour of a lived experience that has a truth of its own.  What I mean is, trying to live a positive life and be a good person, is best for anyone in the long term.  That can be one of the take-away messages from religion.

    Religion also has its punitive side, so that punitiveness is another take-away message that people can take if they want, but I don’t know if that’s best for someone in the long term.  It feels good in the short term.

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    Autumn
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    I am sure it is possible to adequately compartmentalize such that performance as a scientist and faith as a Christian don’t appreciably diminish one another. But realistically, as we look at contemporary Christian faith, we see a spectrum of those looking to reconcile the books of the Bible with scientific knowledge and those unwilling to do so. Those in the former camp seem to have to write off large portions of biblical text as non-literal in the process. Does that make them less Christian? Not for me to say, but we do see there is some incompatibility between advancing scientific knowledge and biblical literalism* that forces one side to be abandoned or at least reinterpreted/ re-contextualized.

    Personally, I wouldn’t assume a physicist or virologist or what have you was inferior at their specialty because they happen to be Christian. But I would wonder to what extent they need to either compartmentalize or realign their faith.

    *I am not asserting that biblical literalism is the most valid form of Christianity, but unlike science which, ideally, is designed to be responsive to evidence, Christianity is based more in doctrine derived predominately from biblical texts (which, while not wholly immutable, are far less adaptive to emerging evidence).

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    Simon Paynton
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    But I would wonder to what extent they need to either compartmentalize or realign their faith.

    I’d say they would concentrate more on the “lived experience” aspect of religion rather than the “book learning” aspect.  There is an ethos of Jesus that is very healthy if carried out in spirit if not exactly literally as in the Bible.  He did say and do some strange things at times, like rejecting his family.  But people forget that kind of thing, in favour of the positive living / trying to be a good person.  It’s the same way people can treat Islam or Buddhism – taken in spirit (of the positive side) if not in letter.

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    jakelafort
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    Simon Says: Surely it’s possible to be a scientific Christian. A scientist can understand that the universe is put together in a logical fashion, while also believing that a God created it.

    That is deism you’ve described. Christian mythology of origins is inconsistent with science knowledge derived of science. So ya can’t in good conscience where both hats. And even if you posit magic at creation and order thereafter it gives no logical guidance to which god.

    Simon says: What I mean is, trying to live a positive life and be a good person, is best for anyone in the long term. That can be one of the take-away messages from religion.

    I don’t buy that either. A positive life is not one in which one’s behavior is driven by fear of punishment or desire for the eternal reward. If you are Christian and devout then you can’t be a good person or at least not the best version of yourself. That is not surprising when one considers the mores of contemporary period in which bible is fabricated or the efforts subsequently to control the flock.

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    @simonSurely it’s possible to be a scientific Christian.  A scientist can understand that the universe is put together in a logical fashion, while also believing that a God created it.

    It is Christian Science that is utter BS. These people will pray to their imaginary god (i.e., do nothing productive) rather than seek medical attention for themselves or their children when ill. But I suspect you are talking here about Christians studying scientific topics or applying the Scientific Method to their work.

    Science has investigated the reasons behind why people believe in the existence of gods and why they cherish those beliefs. We know the social, psychological, neurological and historical reasons they hold onto those beliefs. It does not require much further scientific study. There is no mystery to it. We understand why people continue to believe in their gods.

    But for an educated Scientist, like a cosmologist or physicist, to claim they are also religious and believe in the existence of god(s) is different. Science and Religion are non- overlapping magisteria. If I am ever to find myself in a situation where I am being tortured, I would bite the cyanide pill in order not to have to listen to the “waffling magical hysteria” of Christian apologists tell me why religion is a valid tool of discovery.

    How can a biologist claim he accepts that the Genesis creation story is valid or meritorious of discussion and that Evolution is also true. There is zero room for both. The Theory of Evolution takes up the entire bookshelf. There is no room on it for any mythology. Their cognitive dissonance is crying out to be cured. Yet they refuse to subject their religious views to the same level of critical analysis we expect (demand) any scientific theory to undergo. And no, I am not talking Scientism here. The Christian or Muslim presupposes his\her belief that their god is real. They construct their reality, their worldview, on this presupposition and based upon indoctrinated faith and subjective experience, continue to prop it up.

    The non-religious investigators do not need faith. They build up their view of reality based upon their understanding of rigorously tested objective Theories. Their building blocks are based upon our current “knowledge”. This knowledge is independent of any faith that anyone may hold.  It is objectively verified and the facts discovered via the scientific method are considered to be ‘knowledge’ because they have been ‘justified’, in the philosophical sense even, to be correct. When we get more information in the future, we can refine our understanding and get on about our day. Religionists cannot do that because their God did it. If they say He did not, then they are not believers.

    Once again Simon can you tell me anything useful to society that religion has given us in the last 500 years? Yes, some priests and religious people have made scientific discoveries but only via science. If nothing useful has been discovered using the ’Religious Method’, then why continue to use it?

    In science, there are no universal truths, just views of the world that have yet to be shown to be false. (Brian Cox, Preface, page 1 of Why does E=MC2?) The apologist must hold his book to contain unchanging Truths. If not, then his\her god has inspired nothing real.

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    Simon, there are 20 Epicureans at my front door. What should I do? 🙂

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    There is an ethos of Jesus that is very healthy if carried out in spirit if not exactly literally as in the Bible.

    Do I need to again post the 50 terrible things Jesus commanded?

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