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Sunday School October 9th 2022
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October 14, 2022 at 8:34 pm #44959
UnseenParticipantThat was great, Unseen, LOL. When I was around six someone told me that the nuns were married to Jesus. I thought, “wow, Jesus has a lot of wives for a dead guy.”
So, Jesus was a Holy Bigamist?
October 15, 2022 at 5:13 pm #44960
TheEncogitationerParticipantUnseen,
If a Christopher Hitchens Memorial Hospital does not exist, then isn’t it necessary that we do the Voltaire-ian thing and create one?
I’d gladly donate my Bachelor’s Mite to help open one. If you could just get past the “Certificate Of Need” (CON) which States impose on new hospitals, it would be great.
Ideally, it would be located in short driving distance from a dairy to get fresh Insulin with minimal spoilage.
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October 15, 2022 at 9:13 pm #44963
_Robert_ParticipantWhen you check in at the Christopher Hitchens Memorial Hospital remember they give you a shot of Johnny Walker Black each morning and eve. If you wanna challenge the staff, you really better understand the arguments against your assertions or you will get shredded. If you do request to see a Priest, that is fine as long as he does not stray uninvited to any other rooms, and they would appreciate it if he apologized for centuries of abuse while here…if it isn’t too much trouble.
October 15, 2022 at 10:00 pm #44965
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModeratorThe morning shot of JWB is the more important one as it is the Breakfast of Champions.
October 15, 2022 at 10:01 pm #44966
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModeratorSo, Jesus was a Holy Bigamist?
The math does not add up. 3 into 1 does not go. In Ireland the penalty for bigamy is 2 wives.
October 16, 2022 at 3:28 pm #44985
TheEncogitationerParticipantRobert,
I’d have the JWB for any wounds, but with my Rx’s, I wouldn’t want to risk drinking it.
The Doctors and Staff could have all they want during off time, but as Penn Gillette would insist, be stone-cold, bone sober when doing business, especially on the operating table and in billing.
Any Clergy I request would be only for stand-up entertainment.😁
October 16, 2022 at 3:38 pm #44986
TheEncogitationerParticipantReg,
The math does not add up. 3 into 1 does not go. In Ireland the penalty for bigamy is 2 wives.
That reminded me of listening to “The Phil Hendrix Show” when it came on years ago. One of his cast of zany characters was Pastor William Rennick, a T.D. Jakes-style characture. A woman called him up and said: “My God is Theee In One…”.
Pastor William Rennick then shouted: “Three In One! Oooooh, Lady! You’ve got some serious confessin’ to do!!”. 😁
October 16, 2022 at 4:01 pm #44987
TheEncogitationerParticipantReg,
Funny, while I was looking for Phil Hendrie skits, I came across something I didn’t know he did: an interview with an actual person, and above all, Christopher Hitchens! Wow!
Christopher Hitchens on The Phil Hendrie Show, 2009 (1/2)
Christopher Hitchens on The Phil Hendrie Show, 2009 (2/2)
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October 19, 2022 at 3:57 pm #45021
jakelafortParticipantTo recapitulate and clarify an earlier point i made in regards to the Ukraine war-the world takes sides. Nations do what is in their perceived interest in terms of which side they back. Citizens follow the propaganda mostly. I doubt many are capable of being objective, starting without a viewpoint or a bias. Letting the evidence take us where it might. And as we have explored elsewhere it is not easy to get good reporting and even know all of the facts.
The problem is that we as a species are rats on a wheel. Same old shit. Same old patterns. Nothing fundamental changes. So if we are Ukraine backers then it is obviously a violation of international law and common decency to violate borders and invade. The sovereignty of each nation ought to be sacrosanct. Does not change the equation much or at all whether the invaded nation was once a part of the invading nation.
And then things play out with many predictable consequences of the war. There are atrocities. The propagandists understandably utilize the unspeakable to elicit emotions and confirm the underlying narrative that the so and so (in this case dirty Ruskies) are barbarians and whatever befalls them is what they got comin. Yes, it is a confirmation that the course of action backing Ukraine at all costs was the correct course.
And the supporters of Russia and its invasion point to various facts demonstrating that it is not as straightforward as one might think. I think this side sees itself as more acute. But whatever.
Thus it is a game of unending human folly and governments having too much power to direct the course of history. And each conflict/war in a string of incessant conflicts and wars plays out and the suffering and collateral consequences are horrific. Concomitantly the weaponry gets more and more lethal and at some point it will be used. It will happen suddenly and nothing will ever be the same. And that is just one of our existential threats. We as a species will at most treat things symptomatically. And that is probably a generous characterization. Self-interest, capitalists interests, cabals, dictators direct us, steer us towards our doom.
How many ordinary citizens left to their devices would act as surrogate marionettes of death? In fact humans are so easily led. It is fucking frightening. So i wonder where and why the best and brightest have to my knowledge done nothing to influence the masses against the madness. STOP THE MADNESS!
Humans can be moved to believe and act in virtually any way they are directed. The very fact that we have so many who buy into cultural or moral relativism speaks to the amenability and convenience of morality and beliefs. Just take slavery as an example. All but the most headshaking troglodytes recoil at the notion of slavery. It is so clearly wrong. We don’t have to intellectualize about it. Images alone of slave ships, slave markets, humans in shackles is enough to turn our stomachs. Yet it was every day life. And even putative great minds like Jefferson saw Blacks as semi-human and saw the practice as justifiable.
So isn’t it plausible that a world-wide movement against so many of the ills that bring about so much suffering and existinential risk can be targeted. Can’t we also utilize common issues like clean water, clean energy, climate change to foster international cooperation? The notion of tabula rasa is not so far from true or maybe the metaphor is silly putty-easily imprinted and molded.
Perhaps there is a big role for AI to foster the changes and imprint humanity with better propaganda. Pipe dream. shit aint changing. Full speed ahead. Damn the apocalypse.
October 19, 2022 at 4:15 pm #45023
_Robert_ParticipantI don’t know what is so complicated. The Southwest US has a huge Mexican population. In many towns Spanish is the common language. In past centuries Mexico contained these regions within their borders.
If Mexico invaded Texas and California shelled the towns killing thousands of Americans and sent tanks to Washington DC to remove Biden, I guess that would be a tough decision. What to do?
October 19, 2022 at 5:15 pm #45025
jakelafortParticipantRobert, that is not exactly an on-point hypothetical analogy. Kiev was part of Russia and the cultural center of Russia until the rise of Moscow. Russia has been around a great deal longer than the USA. You are talking over a thousand years since Kiev was that focal point as opposed to fewer than two hundred since the Mexican American war.
Furthermore the area acquired by USA in war of shameless aggression by USA was barely populated by Spanish. There were of course natives in those territories. So it is not like the same cultural ties of yore exist at equal strengths. Also and more importantly the US took from Mexico. Russia lost Ukraine RECENTLY 1991 independence when it declared independence from the mother. So a more apt analogy might be something like secession. And hell that may happen the way things are going. And if the federal government tries to restore the union then ya have something more akin.
But truth is my criticism is really just carping. Notwithstanding distinctions the general premise stands that it is wrong to invade sovereign nations. It is just wrong.
But that is not the point of my post. Not at all. My point is in regards to the march of folly. Why is nobody doing anything to change the trajectory of history. We are headed to our doom. Having dictators in this day and age is insane. Let me stop. I will get back to the races where i let a 21 to 1 go that i should have used.
October 19, 2022 at 6:57 pm #45028
_Robert_ParticipantExactly. A violent takeover of a country by a dictator is what this is. No other read on it. And dictators don’t just stop their aggressions after a success, do they?
Ukraine even gave up her nukes under a promise not to be invaded by Russia. What nation will ever voluntarily give up their nukes after this example. The West was happily supportive and a party to this agreement. And yet there are those would let this takeover happen and live in temporary false safety as the dictator becomes stronger.
October 19, 2022 at 7:45 pm #45029
_Robert_ParticipantAt last count, 15 outspoken Russian oligarchs are now dead. Jumping out of hospital windows or ingesting toad poison. I guess Alexei Navalny is still alive in prison. I really don’t know why. After all the crimes committed, why not one more? Maybe fear of an uprising, but honestly it seems apathy rules the day.
October 19, 2022 at 8:00 pm #45030
jakelafortParticipantRobert i think the 2nd world war as precedent is not terribly probative here. Russia has shown itself to be what it is-a paper tiger. There are no world domination motivations in this case. Putin is a motherfucker but not stupid. There is no way i at least can extrapolate from this invasion to something that endangers the world. The world is completely different now. Think about it. Invade another western country and conquer it let alone a super power and you have world war 3. And it is a war with the mutually assured destruction that is so often referenced.
On the other hand supplying the Ukrainians and fighting a proxy war has already had horrible consequences for millions: The death and torture of so many Ukranians, the death of Russians some of whom undoubtedly would prefer to be home and see the invasion as wrong, the families broken up, the migration, the trauma to children who will have lifelong consequences, the people in poor countries who have been adversely affected and could not find Ukraine on a map. And of course there is the ongoing specter of nuclear deployment. That is a legit risk to civilization. Even if it is only the limited tactical nucs it is a horrible precedent.
And while i think most would guess (imo it is only a guess how China and N. Korea will react to Russian loss or victory) that stopping Russia’s aggression will act as a deterrent to N. Korea and China, my guess is the opposite. That is particularly true of China. China is emerging as THE SUPERPOWER. So caving its ambitions in its sphere of influence is not what i forsee. China can act out a great big fuck U to the west.
October 19, 2022 at 10:33 pm #45033
_Robert_ParticipantPutin is a motherfucker but not stupid. There is no way i at least can extrapolate from this invasion to something that endangers the world.
That’s what they always say about aggressive dictators. Don’t worry, __insert dictator name here_____ will behave now, LOL.
Putin IS stupid in the sense that all he hears from his yes men is how strong Russia is and how so many people all over the former Soviet Union wish it to return. And look, the US is all fat and soft and everyone is LGBT- and Covid killed them off good- and insurrection and political divide and inflation uptick and NATO is weak and Brexit and right wing popularism and oil dependency and old man Biden and……on and on. He fucked up, moron level.
Modern democracies have to demonstrate zero tolerance for aggressive dictators.
We knew what he was doing back in 2015.
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-114shrg97882/html/CHRG-114shrg97882.htm
The Western engagement policy that should have been
abandoned as soon as Putin showed his true colors over a decade ago was continued at every turn, which emboldened Putin and delegitimized our opposition movement. Putin rebuilt the police state in Russia in full view of the outside world, and now he is confident enough of his power to attempt to export that police state abroad to Georgia, to Ukraine, to Moldova.Where next? He is testing NATO now, and he will test it further. Putin also provides a role model for the rest of the world dictators and thugs by proudly defying the superior forces of the free world. From Iran to Syria to Venezuela, Putin’s Russia provides both materiel support and what I would call amoral support.
Putin is not going away on his own. Ukraine is only his
latest target. Ukraine must be defended, supported, and armed now. It may seem far away to you, but it is a front line of awar the United States and the rest of the free world is fighting whether it admits it or not. Sanctions are important, but it is obvious 6 months ago that they were not enough to deter Putin, and he must be deterred.
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