Brian Iverson

Unseen. Do you think it is immoral, under any circumstances, for a 40 year old to have sexual relations with a 15 year old?

No unseen…pay attention. I said hate crimes are under-reported (not the murders). The estimations are based on hate crimes reported to LGTBQ+ groups but not to the police. There are MANY reasons why such crimes go unreported not least because people are in the closet, fear retribution or know there is little chance anything will be done about…[Read more]

If people are afraid to be open about their sexuality then we need to ask them why.

Reg pretty much points to the biggest burning red flag unseen. You point out an elected LGBTQ+ leader in your state. That’s nice. Senior elected politicians who are out of the closet however no where near approach how many there should be if they were…[Read more]

I guess that means the 1,500 reported hate crimes against LGTBQ+ in the US (including over a dozen murders of trans people alone) are simply one side of a scale that is balanced by the fact that your state had an elected gay leader (keep in mind it is estimated that for every reported crime hundreds go unreported). I would imagine also the…[Read more]

You have also stated on top of what else I have mentioned that child marriage was a “cultural matter” and that attitudes towards sex between adults and non-adults have simply changed over time without ever once mentioning consent. It is not a stretch to assume you would have a nuanced position on the topic. So you unequivocally agree it is immoral…[Read more]

Please unseen. An ad hominem would be claiming you said something you haven’t. You haven’t stated our position one way or another. You’ve been pretty vague about your attitudes towards pederasty and paedophilia when at several times in the last few years you’ve suggested it is a matter of cultural attitudes rather than a simple question about…[Read more]

No unseen I am distinguishing between assholy cruel speech and hate speech. If we were to include your examples as hate speech then hate speech would be such an enormously broad category that virtually everyone would be protected from any douchey put-down. Hate speech protects vulnerable marginalised groups from the most vicious dehumanising…[Read more]

Unseen those are examples of mockery and derision. They are terrible things but not on the level of hate speech. Of course everything depends on the country but of all the European countries I know it would go like this:

An ethnic person walks by

Cruel but not hate speech: Oh gross something smells like curry and mothballs.

Hate speech: Fucking…[Read more]

Perhaps unseen you could make your views on sexual relations between adults and minors clear. Your position on the topic has been a little ambiguous.

Unseen I made a claim that elderly do not need the same protections as minorities and LGTBQ+ when it comes to egregious life changing systemic hate speech. You disagreed. I asked you to give examples of how the elderly suffer from it at the level that minorities and LGTBQ+ do. You then didn’t give examples (that’s twice now) and said you would if…[Read more]

No unseen we are dealing with hate speech not legal yet unpleasant speech and how hateful it may seem to me without knowing the context or the larger stoey. Stick to the topic.

Do you regard derision of gays as hateful?

No I do not think making a joke about how some gay people walk or talk should be a crime. You will certainly pay a high social price in many settings if you openly do this maliciously but it is up for organisations (like work places, social groups, schools to decide that for themselves) to do this. For…[Read more]

If you write a law requiring anyone anyone to conduct normal business with whoever walks in the door,

Pfff. You talk about nuance and not overgeneralising unseen and yet I never claimed such a sweeping rule about anybody who walks through the door of any shop and asks for services for any reason. I made three provisos on top of that. But then to…[Read more]

Yes encoginator you did a fishing expedition and found one vaguely questionable example (lacking enough details to make any conclusion) in a developing country with a fragile democracy. When you put that on the scales next to European democracies which have had hate speech laws for years….I think your cherry picking attempts don’t make much of a…[Read more]

Yes unseen and hundreds of philosophers take God’s existence seriously and pontificate about absurd questions on it. Hundreds of post-modern philosophers babble about incomprehensible rubbish. It is one thing to consider a solipsistic reality as a thought experiment or a bizarre and absurd possibility. We all have. I am not in the slightest angry.…[Read more]

I clearly said we cannot know about solipsism. I admit it. However the fantastical idea that suddenly “poof” your mind is the only thing that exists and some how you’ve ended up in a fantastical universe (likely created or at least imagined up by yourself) where you are the only person with agency and yet have forgotten how to (or some how…[Read more]

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Wow Unseen, so you claim to know that there is nothing more to the universe and everything than your own mind? How on Earth do you know that?

Unseen I said more should be done to protect the elderly and gave some examples of what should be done what more do you want? However they do not need the same kinds of protections from hate speech because they aren’t dehumanised in the way minorities and LGTBQ+ people are. In any case you seem to be against hate speech laws so why would it…[Read more]

Your level of confidence in all things about the mind (that you admit you know virtually nothing about) is staggering. Much be great to have such intellectual faith in your own ignorance.