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  • #33856

    PopeBeanie
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    The series “Humans” is worth a watch on Netflix – not sure if available in USA though.

    I like the series, but hope they’ll add more (“realistic”, imo) bad-guy AI, eventually. (It’s on Amazon here, as Unseen mentioned.)

    Blade Runner was ahead of its time on a similar theme, as are some of the time travel themed series/movies where people in the future fudge with past events. (I normally dislike the massive poetic license time travel plots employ, although Twelve Monkeys is one of my all time favorites.)

    #33848

    PopeBeanie
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    Unseen wrote:

    A plea to PopeBeanie and all who want to enumerate points: Do not use the n. format (1., 2., 3., …) because to someone like me wanting to embed responses in the original text, it becomes heck on Earth as the software thinks it’s being called on to repair the numbering. Instead, use this format: 1), 2), 3)… to make it easy on respondents.

    Agreed, it gets messy. I didn’t expect that, and will be aware of it next time. And numberless bullet points probably cause similar difficulty.

    It was easy enough for me, just now, to pull the numbered bullets out. Mods aren’t limited to the usual editing rights expirations. Sometimes it takes me almost an hour to edit a post until I’m satisfied with it because I’m so bad at spontaneous wordsmithing. I’m even still editing sometimes without noticing when someone has already responded; and I often break up unexpectedly long paragraphs into smaller ones. Fortunately I don’t care much about fixing pretty minor spelling or grammatical errors .

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    #33810

    PopeBeanie
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    Thinking the brick was a book was just an incorrect assumption. She didn’t know that she was only seeing 14 books, and neither did she know that one or more books were hidden.

    So she didn’t really know the correct book count (even though she knew how to count up to 15), she just accidentally and incorrectly perceived 15 books while one or more books were not even visually countable.

    Nice art, by the way.

    #33809

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    The potentially confusing thing about Groups

    When you click on a link to a Group, you’re usually taken to the Group’s update page unless you’ve clicked on a link to a topic or on a link to a  post in one of the Group’s Forum’s topics.

    Sound confusing already? OK then, I’ll explain the two pages, just one page at a time.

    1) The Group’s update page shows updates, and allows you to add updates. It looks something like the following. Notice “Home” at the top left is highlighted, because you’re on the Group’s Home page:

    What a Group's Home page looks like

    2) But we usually want to be in the Group’s Forum page instead, because that’s where all the topics are. (I wish all links to the Group would just take us to this Forum page.) So we often have to click on the Forum button (next to the Home button) to see the list of topics, which looks like the following. The Forum page is the most important page where we can see topics and add new topics, or open a topic and read or add new posts to the topic:

    screen capture of part of a Group Forum page

     

    #33804

    PopeBeanie
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    I watched it. I was disappointed with the drama injected about 3/4 of the way through, and have seen some (techie) people totally turned off by it to the extent of calling the whole production a fraud. If they had just not added that drama, I think the rest of the production would be taken more seriously, as it should be.

    #33802

    PopeBeanie
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    Minor note as I watch the video: I think he’s only partly correct that we care more for dogs than (say) flies because dogs are more intelligent. We relate to dogs/cats and other animals not just with intelligence, but with empathy, and sharing of feelings with each other. Cognitive intelligence plus emotional intelligence, if you will. This point will become increasingly important when we become tempted to have empathy for robots that learn how to behave and appear as if they have human qualities.

    Some points about what I currently believe we’ll need to learn in order to successfully deal with AI.

    1) We’ll see (unless it’s hidden from us) AI’s advancement occur incrementally. For starters, we’re seeing what I’d call the beginnings of AI at tech companies like Facebook and Google, as they constantly improve on how to “serve us better and keep us coming back to them”.

    2) In light of 1 above, I feel strongly that AI will, at first, operate according to their designer’s and owner’s wishes. I.e. we’ll see undesirable side-effects of AI even before AI becomes self-aware, or “conscious”.

    3) Speaking of consciousness, I believe strongly that we should never attempt to endow AI with consciousness as we know it. Imagine e.g. that modifying or experimenting on one’s human consciousness could happen in an unethical manner, e.g. without one’s permission, and prone to accidental creation of pain and misery. If we ever chose to emulate consciousness in AI without any kind of humane oversight, we could do similar harm to conscious AI beings. Perhaps we’d even cause dysfunctions or traumas that could come back to haunt us?

    4) In light of 3 above, in line with never intentionally creating consciousness in AI, perhaps our rule should be that we should never, ever feel it would be inhumane to pull the plug on any AI. We want AI to only be benevolent machines that serve us, or more precisely that serve the “right” people, not just profit-seeking opportunists who, like many humans who gain power, would use AI too heavily or carelessly for profit or as weapons against humanity.

    5) Only after considering 1 through 4 above would I feel it may become possible to address how we could survive an AI that became self-aware, and was allowed to become autonomous. If we fail to manage AI during phases 1 through 4, I think phase 5 would be completely unpredictable and uncontrollable.

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    #33801

    PopeBeanie
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    PopeBeanie and Unseen, I know it does sound utopian. […]

    And that’s ok! I don’t do enough reading on these things but still develop my own ideas. I’m thinking, e.g. that new “parties” will be willing to join forces one day to overcome the hurdles of running against the two party system. The theme, at least at first, could be “we form coalitions, unlike the partisan two-party system”.

    And then it can evolve increasingly quickly from there.

    #33765

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    Others have also suggested getting rid of parties entirely and letting individual candidates run solely on their ideas and past records.

    I’m close to believing that, I just don’t know how to make it happen. I think the founders of USA had no idea how two-party politics would be able to hang on to power and then corrupt the representation and election processes, e.g. by gerrymandering and by buying free speech with big pockets and huge donors. I think (but am not positive) that USPS Media Mail was created just to make free speech more affordable via mail, but that’s no longer the most effective way to get voters’ attention.

    As for None as a choice on the ballot, I’d agree, if we first had Ranked Voting, which gives voters the ability to rank each candidate (and None) from first choice to last choice. This would not only encourage more candidates to run and get recognized, but would allow voters to vote for their next most-favorite candidate(s), in order, if their first choice has no way to win. Even None could win it.

    In the 2000 presidential election, enough Democrats voted for Nader instead of Gore such that Bush won the highest number of votes in Florida, which then led to Bush winning the country without getting the majority of the votes. In a ranked voting system, those Nader voters could have voted for both Nader and Gore, and Gore would have beat Bush because the votes would have been applied as a simple Gore v Bush contest after eliminating Nader from the count.

    The other advantage of Ranked Voting is there would never be a need to have any runoff election when no candidate wins the majority in a field of more than two candidates. A runoff election is the very time-consuming, expensive way to get the same result as a single Ranked Vote election in those elections not dominated by an electoral college process.

    #33761

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    1) Only if the computer (ironically) requires infinitesimal energy; 2) Or any object with circularity.

    What if the only meaning of “infinity” is that there can be nothing larger (or smaller) within the context wherein it refers to a quantity? E.g. if a Big Bang starts off with infinite density in infinitesimal space and time, assuming no other matter and energy exists in “nearby” space or time and the Big Bang’s precursor is both nothing and everything at once. (And therein would lie a logical contradiction, or at least insufficient clarity in terminology.)

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    #33759

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    As for voting vs praying, I’d say they’re more equivalent as “faiths”, and specifically “group faiths”. When I vote, which I will mail in as soon as I study the local ballot measures, I know it won’t really make a difference. So I vote with the faith that I’m doing the right thing for my fellow citizens, as I think my fellow citizens are also doing, faithfully for others.

    Keep in mind the lack of faith people had in the candidates back in 2016. A large percentage of people voted just to protest the status quo, and didn’t realize how their votes, en masse, would actually elect the worst president in our history, or at least the worst in many, damaging ways. Soooo many people just went to the voting booth thinking “what the hell, our vote’s not going to change anything anyway, why not protest the system and throw a monkey wrench into it”!

    I believe that’s not going to happen again, at least not in 2020.

    #33734

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    Thanks again Anna. The best I can tell, Sue’s had earlier IDs set up and we’re now seeing use of those past IDs.

    I’ve taken more measures but am not sure how well they’ll work. (By the way, I got the same email, but I have no way to know who else or how many other members also get them.)

    #33727

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    I know I probably come off angry […]

    No, if I responded sounding as if I felt that way, it was my mistake. Half my reason for being here is to give any theists that come by a chance to see that there’s an alternative to the traditional religious attitudes that were invented by human beings long ago, and imo, after understanding this, it just seems silly to me that anyone should blame a fictional character rather than understand how humans themselves perpetuate the fictions/myths.

    #33705

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    Here’s one of those interesting stories that comes up when you put “Atheism” in the news search engine:

    Black Skeptics Find Meaning in Uplifting Their Community Through Social Justice

    Black nonbelievers have for years been working to redefine what it means to be an Atheist, a word too often linked to white spaces mostly concerned with Creationism and separation of Church and State

    I have strong feelings about how ironic (and unfair) it is that South Americans and (e.g.) Southern Blacks have been so taken in by Christianity to start with. Of course a bigger picture here is how these kinds of cultural impositions, enforced by people in power (who of course are mostly white Christians) has had so much impact worldwide, in the history of civilization… including the next most-imposed religion on the world, Islam.

    So any black vs atheist identity friction may just be the other side of the black/Latino and so on coin that started some hundreds of years ago as a black vs Christian friction?

    #33692

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    Alejandro, my apologies if you are reading this. In my haste, I foolishly deleted you as an AtheistZone member after reading Anna’s post. Please sign up again. (I have no other way to contact you.)

    #33679

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    Yes Anna, thank you for this warning! I deleted this member a couple hours ago. So I suspect that you’ve copy/ pasted that text from an email, or from an old AZ post that that should have also disappeared? Please let me know if you still see this post anywhere on AZ.

    This also goes for any friend requests from this scammer… I believe those friend requests are also deleted from AZ now, but again, please let me or another mod know if you still see anything on AZ from this scammer.

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