Reg the Fronkey Farmer

TheEncogitationer wrote:
Israel, like all of us, could use more medicine, more professionals, and more quality in both, provided by a free market in healthcare.

Which countries are successful at this kind of free market?

Globalize the intifada.

Rivers and seas Palestine freeze…errr From some river and some sea Juden free

I gotta hand it to the lefties doing the bidding of the muslim brotherhood. Indoctrinating the mindless immensely. You are all aces. Humans can be conditioned to believe anything. I think i heard that someplace?…[Read more]

Jake,

In fairness, Israel’s system has advantages over Iran’s, most especially with research and development.

It is also worthy of note that Arab Citizens have the same healthcare rights as Jewish Citizens, and Israeli medical establishments and organizations cater to all faiths and none. Israel accepts medical tourism from Palestinians and…[Read more]

Jake,

And don’t forget how big kibbutzim were. Socialist project. Universal health care according to Wilf.

Here’s where she got out of her depth. Iran too has a heavily government-subsidized and government-regulated health care system, with very mixed results. Maybe better than some of their neighbors, but with all the same problems of s…[Read more]

Agreed Robert.

And don’t forget how big kibbutzim were. Socialist project. Universal health care according to Wilf.

Not only are Israelis turning right as the two state solution has proven illusory and more and more Israelis know that. Jews in US and Europe voting right and in some instances far right that would have been unthinkable not long…[Read more]

I would characterize Israel to be way more “left/liberal” than right/conservative Iran.  Jews have comprised much of the leading liberal Intelligentsia in many Western countries for decades. Historically, Israel was dominated by left-leaning parties but has become more conservative and defensive over the decades. Easy to see why.

Enco,

Listened to the inimitable, incomparable Wilfster.

Excellent video. I’d certainly want her on a panel to debate the Lefties/Islamists. A font of knowledge and wisdom borne of reflection and acuity. Good luck taking her down. Though starting as a lefty in Israel experience taught her that putative Palestinian grievances are not the cause…[Read more]

Pope,

I see you chose to address nonofit even for the funofit.

No certainty as to what you are going on about. Only hunches. So i asked meta and here is the response.

This text appears to be a satirical response to your original post. The author is using humor and irony to make several points, including [1]:
– Critique of advertising: The…[Read more]

I’m currently in skimming mode for most long posts, but this paragraph popped out, as I’m feeling again how much I hate ads for products that will never interest me.

jakelafort wrote:
The answer/solution is so simple. It lies in what i keep saying here how humans can be led like dogs can be conditioned. We will as a species believe and behave any…

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Unseen wrote:
@popebeanie So, if it takes slaying every last Palestinian man, woman, and child to make Israelis feel safe, that’s a valid justification?

PopeBeanie wrote:
But I’m open to hearing humanistic solutions that would actually work.

(In those Trolley Switch scenario studies, it seems I’d be one of the few people who’d be willing to wor…[Read more]

Enco,

I have not heard that one yet but i have listened/read a lot of Wilf. Linked some here too i think. She is awesome. I will give it a listen. You have derived good and valuable lessons.

Robert agree with a lot of what you have written but not all.

Wouldn’t say Europeans and Americans were happy to export Jews. Nobody wanted em? If that is what you mean by export, okay. British mandate limited number of Jews who were permitted in any given year. Similarly restrictive immigration policies against Jews in places like USA and Canada…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
@popebeanie So, if it takes slaying every last Palestinian man, woman, and child to make Israelis feel safe, that’s a valid justification? File that along with “We had to destroy the village in order to save it” under the topic “The dystopian ‘logic’ of war.”

The need a change in ideology. The brainwashed goals they strive for ar…[Read more]

@PopeBeanie

So, if it takes slaying every last Palestinian man, woman, and child to make Israelis feel safe, that’s a valid justification?

File that along with “We had to destroy the village in order to save it” under the topic “The dystopian ‘logic’ of war.”

It’s obvious that centuries of persecution by both Christians and Muslims are responsible for the current situation of a militant Israel. Guilt-ridden, post WW2 Europeans and Americans were happy to export Jews to Palestine, land of zero Mideast oil and lowly Arabs. And you better believe Arabs were in-turn forced to evacuate by gunpoint. Places…[Read more]

Fellow Unbelievers,

A fantastic video interview by Michael Shermer with Einat Wilf (Down, boy, down! Heel! It’s just a name! 🐕‍🦺)

How to Achieve Peace in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

It’s one year old, but still timely and timeless in it’s insights on scapegoating, Antisemitism, Anti-Zionism,…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
If Netanyahu isn’t a war criminal, how high has the bar been set?

So here’s the irony/unfairness/cognitive dissonance in my current but potentially changing belief: Sometimes war crimes are necessary to thwart other war crimes.

Sorry, I really can’t land on a conclusion that honors a more humanistic perspective. Wait, except p…[Read more]

Pope,

” I don’t want to just write off Palestinians or Palestine, but if Hamas is the disease, how can the disease be isolated from spreading beyond Palestine? ”

Hamas is an insignificant excrescence of a disease. It is not THE disease. The disease is Palestinianism. The patient is as good as dead. The disease has metastisized to all of the v…[Read more]

If Netanyahu isn’t a war criminal, how high has the bar been set?

jakelafort wrote:
I am not going to waste my time debunking all of the BS that Unseen continues to forward

Followed by 3100 words attempting to debunk the facts.