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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School October 12th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 6 months, 3 weeks agoUnseen wrote:
One embodies an irrational belief with no need to support it in any wayI think there’s more to it than that. Religious people usually have a strong “conscience” – whether that means humble self-guidance on one hand, or entitled, authoritarian meddling in the affairs of the rest of us, on the other extreme. They have strongly h…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton posted an update 6 months, 4 weeks ago
Here’s a really interesting, recent BBC Radio 4 programme about zero-sum thinking, that has a lot to do with the Trump administration. It’s on my DropBox
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/iziqhdbb98geixbo9toqn/Rethink-20250925-RethinkWinnersAndLosers.mp3?rlkey=qd9mtvnq4mugw1gxr04cz7vw6&dl=0 -
Simon Paynton replied to the topic The Mathematical Proof of God, The Holy Trinity in the forum Theism 7 months ago
King Iyk wrote:
No theology → no meaning = empty structure.Did AI say that? It must be right. Yet, theology is just endless gymnastics trying to make religion make sense.
As atheists, we all have meaning in our lives. My goal is to be happy and to flourish. So, anything that affects those goals has meaning for me.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic The Mathematical Proof of God, The Holy Trinity in the forum Theism 7 months ago
King Iyk wrote:
This alignment between the Crucifixion Timeline and the Time Clock is a strikingly precise match that defies mere coincidence.Yes, but so what? What does it prove?
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 21st 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 7 months agoTheEncogitationer wrote:
You do bring up a great point, albeit in a different thread. What is meant by “good faith” and “bad faith?”. And how can you tell who has which?That is a good point. I think that good faith debate follows the charitable rules of fair play and doesn’t use underhand or aggressive tactics to try to win an argument…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic December 15, 1791 in the forum
The Atheist Agora 7 months, 1 week agoReg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
The goal should not be the absence of disagreement, but the presence of robust dialogue.Likewise, it’s unproductive to seek to silence people we disagree with, in good faith. It’s more productive to engage with them and debate.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 7th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 7 months, 3 weeks agoTheEncogitationer wrote:
But I can attest today that a Jesus Fish on a work van or business sign doesn’t necessarily equal trust or quality. Televangelists and Noah’s Ark theme parks do not help matters either.I think the “trust” thing works both ways with religious people. I’m always suspiciously on the look out for tell-tale hypocrisy.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 7th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 7 months, 4 weeks agoTheEncogitationer wrote:
Tribes and clans can be and were dismantled by travel and trade between different peoples.Travel and trade come into the story. But in the first place, if family, clan and tribe ties are dissolved to a great extent, then people become individuals. And religion provided the trust necessary for individuals to trade, o…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 7th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 7 months, 4 weeks agoReg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
I think the writer is “tilting at windmills” and is arguing a point that does not need to be made. It could even be deemed a “strawman argument”. Her critique seems aimed more at an imagined “scientific arrogance” than at how science is genuinely practiced.I think she’s right that science has had ideological…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 7th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 7 months, 4 weeks agoTheEncogitationer wrote:
* (That Christian Apologist Gish Galloping Galoot I once told you about one time even went so far as to claim that the entire Enlightenment experiment and even Atheism were the product of Christianity! That takes some real mental gymnastics!)I’ve got a book that says just that, and they make a good point. The Western…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 7th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 7 months, 4 weeks agoReg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
Scientific objectivity is a mythI argue a more accurate view of science is that pure objectivity is impossible. Once you leave the myth of objectivity behind, though, the way forward is not simple. Instead of a belief in an all-knowing science, we are faced with the reality that humans are responsible for what is…
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School August 31st 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months agojakelafort wrote:
Opposition to TrumpBy “opposition” I mean “telling the truth”, which is opposition to Trump by default.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School August 31st 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months agojakelafort wrote:
Opposition to Trump by disseminating daily/weekly summaries without political spin or charged terms associated with either party.You’re talking about the BBC. I get multiple programmes of this nature every day.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Annie and Andy get your gun! in the forum Politics 8 months ago
Unseen wrote:
“Make America Great Again” is a slogan supported by claims that America is being taken advantage of, that other countries are cheating us by not paying their allotted share of NATO funding while laughing at us for doing nothing about it. Humiliation, in other words.Yes, but America isn’t reeling from humiliation like Germany was…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Annie and Andy get your gun! in the forum Politics 8 months ago
Unseen wrote:
Unless things change, Simon, he has the currently dominant political party (especially on the state level) working for him. So, it’s no time to be complacent.I know he’s acting dangerously, but I think the dynamics are different from other fascist or would-be fascist regimes. Trump’s glory is in Trump only, since everyone al…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School August 31st 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months agoUnseen wrote:
That’s right, Trump’s electoral strength—and his staying power—have been buoyed, above all, by Americans with authoritarian inclinations.I’ve heard that before. Also that Trump supporters tend to think in a very group-oriented way, they think that groups have to compete, and that their group has to win.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Annie and Andy get your gun! in the forum Politics 8 months, 1 week ago
I know Trump would like the USA to be a dictatorship, because that would please his “ego the size of a planet”. But he’s probably not able to pull it off in the United States of America, because its defences are too strong. It remains a democracy, albeit he is busy politicising the machinery of government in his favour.
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Simon Paynton posted an update 8 months, 1 week ago
According to Joseph Henrich (“The Weirdest People in the World”):
The higher the percentage of people who believe in a contingent afterlife (hell and heaven) in a country, the lower the murder rate. By contrast, the greater the percentage of people who believe only in heaven, the higher the murder rate. That’s right, believing only in heaven…[Read more]
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Interesting. Does the sociological sampling include organizations like ISIS/ISIL, or would one’s belief in “contingent afterlife” vary across belief systems?
I’m not arguing against the premise in general, because I think it makes sense. But since the ultimate judge is most commonly considered to be God, then what people consider God/Allah to want…[Read more]-
(OMG [sic], and what about the views of atheistic Jews?)
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Atheistic Jews? Why Jews? Why not atheistic Greeks? Or atheists? Do Jews have to be singled out as nonhumans in every way possible?
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Side-note, have to wonder if Trump considers virgins to be a perk (kinda rhymes with perp) in an afterlife.
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I think it varies across belief systems, but after controlling for everything else, it’s the threat of hell and not the promise of heaven that keeps people in line.
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I see what you mean. Do Isis believe in hell? They obviously don’t think it’s a sin to kill infidels.
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Simon Paynton posted an update 8 months, 1 week ago
I’m currently reading “The Weirdest People in the World” by Joseph Henrich. It’s very interesting on the formation of religions and why people in the West are so individualist.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School August 17th 2025 in the forum
Sunday School 8 months, 2 weeks agoSimon Paynton wrote:
The pressure to heal bones is the same pressure that pushes us to attain benefits and achieve goals.Or rather, it has the same evolutionary origin.
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