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  • #50734
    TheEncogitationer
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    Autiumn,

    See the story that started this thread. Saudi Arabia is more conciliatory to Shia rival Iran than to Israel. And many of the Hamas terrorists that Shia Iran bankrolls are Sunni.

    With the leadership and too many members of the Islamic Ummah (world community of Muslims), it is now all-in-together against the Jews and their allies in the U.S. and the West. Sunni and Shia will take up their intra-religious rivalry later when we are all destroyed.

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    #50737
    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    Beheading and cutting off hands or opposable thumbs is the prescribed methods in the Islamic rules of Jihad. It has been practiced throughout the history of Jihad. U.S. Marines are called “Leathernecks” because they wore leather neck covers to prevent beheading by Islamic Barbary Pirates they fought on “the shores of Tripoli.”

    Thus, beheading of babies would be unsurprising coming from Hamas.

    (Parenthetically, it says something very telling about Islamic jihad that it targets the two parts of humans that distinguish us from other species, our crowning glories among animals and in nature!)

    And even if beheading didn’t happen, babies were still murdered by Hamas! That’s all that really matters.

    Also, are you saying “Believe All Women” making #MeToo allegations of nasty words in the workplace, but don’t believe women captured by known knuckle-draggers who treat women as property with the blessing of Sha’ria law and Allah?

    You’re shitting me, right?

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    #50740
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    See the story that started this thread. Saudi Arabia is more conciliatory to Shia rival Iran than to Israel. And many of the Hamas terrorists that Shia Iran bankrolls are Sunni.

    I read it. It’s consistent with what I wrote.

     

    #50741
    TheEncogitationer
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    Jake,

    Very funny. 😁😄😆😅🤣

    It’s just too bad that Hollywood habitués like Larry David have never even smelled powder and would drop dead at the sight of a real gun. Maybe some fellow Jews who are Israeli citizens could give him some smelling salts and lessons.

    No thread on Israel would be complete without this classic kick-ass song from the Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan. (Warning: Strong, violent, disturbing historical visuals, but necessary to see what we’re up against.)

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    #50743
    jakelafort
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    UN Teachers Call To Murder Jews, Reveals New Report
    March 14, 2023
    Israel, Press Releases, United Nations
    pinned, UNRWA
    UNRWA schools funded by US and EU indoctrinate Palestinian children to antisemitism, hate and violence

    WASHINGTON, March 14, 2023 — Teachers and schools at the UN agency that runs education and social services for Palestinians regularly call to murder Jews, and create teaching materials that glorify terrorism, encourage martyrdom, demonize Israelis and incite antisemitism, reveals a new report by two independent research and monitoring groups.

    According to UN site they are in charge of 291,000 kids in Gaza. So it is not nearly all of the kids but a substantial number.

    In addition Hamas has added their own propaganda to the curriculum of school children to further their agenda.

    It is absolutely imperative that education have a semblance of objectivity. Naturally there will be patriotic BS in most places just as there is in the USA. When a school is indistinguishable from a cult/religion indoctrinating machine it is going to produce beliefs that are not conducive to rational thought.

    The people of Palestine won’t change unless and until the cultural milieu changes. The Palestinians who are in Israel will not attain full rights of citizenship until the Jewish Israelis can trust them. It is possible. Druze are Arabs and have done well in politics in Israel. They serve in the military. They have rights of citizenship like Jewish Israelis.

    Where this war goes is anyone’s guess. It could be WW3. But if outside parties do not get involved Israel will prevail and Hamas will be wiped out. In its wake is a power vacuum. Israel is saying they don’t want to occupy Gaza again. So if they don’t insert a puppet government who steps up? The Palestinians desperately need representation that makes their economic interests paramount. Their well being paramount. But my guess it will be same old same. Some Jihad, terrorist group. I hope i am wrong.

    #50744
    jakelafort
    Participant

    Enco, Larry David is a funny fucker.

    Your vid is good. First time seeing it. The obsession/hatred is live and kicking.

    #50745
    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Autumn,

    Just be careful not to be this person, Claire Clark, whose problem is not hormone blockers, but some form of synapse blockers.🤪

    May 23, 2023
    Speakers At Raleigh, NC Demonstration Salute Rocket Attacks On Israel; Transgender Activist Claire Clark: The Palestinians, Muslims Are No Enemies Of The LGBTQ Community – My Enemies Are In Israel, The White House, Congress, Supreme Court

    https://www.memri.org/player/clip/60920/1/1

    By the bye, MEMRI.org, and it’s service MEMRITV in particular, is a fantastic source for all news Middle Eastern and Islamic, whose translations are accurate, as confirmed by Arabic speakers whom I’ve read confirm it.

    The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI)
    http://memri.org

    #50746
    Unseen
    Participant

    And even if beheading didn’t happen, babies were still murdered by Hamas! That’s all that really matters.

    But the babies in the Gaza apartments leveled by Israeli bombs? Well, they’re Palestinian babies so, of course, they are collateral damage.

    #50747
    Davis
    Participant

    Regardless of which side we might have some sympathies towards, it is absolutely ridiculous to excuse crimes against humanity. If you are a militant, guerrilla fighter etc. you always have the option to target combatants and military infrastructure (and should). Massacring civilians (especially those as far from combatant capabilities/age as possible) is unspeakable and inexcusable.

    So is the not infrequent indiscriminate fire from Israeli combatants on innocent non-combatants in the occupied territories. Despite the true fact that Israeli soldiers are a lot less severe than their counterparts in other conflict zones, they still commit daily horrific crimes against innocent civilians. It is simply not excusable.

    What Hamas did was evil. No context justifies it (even particularly vile Israeli policies which create pointless misery in occupied territories). While I see no likely solution in the Holy land (especially per the lack of incentive to change the status quo by leaders) that status quo, as awful as it is, certainly doesn’t need to involve pointless homicide and cruelty towards civilians. And it should be as equally called out on both sides when it happens (and it happens on a daily basis on both sides).

    I have read countless times people who favour one side deploring crimes against humanity by the “enemy” and excusing or justifying those by their side. Justifying unspeakable policies/acts because, they say so, and pointing out the horrors of the other side. Especially because they support the “good guys”. Good guys, do not commit crimes against humanity. It is so transparent. They simply cannot take a step back and see that they would not make the same calls or judgements on comparable situations around the world (or the other side) devoid of personal/ideological/emotional attachment.

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    #50750
    _Robert_
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    Always hear the problem is with the Muslim “culture”. Well, the Arabs make some fine cloth and have so many great dishes to share but it’s the Koran that curses Jews, Christians and unbelievers about 1,000 times. Certainly, riding camels across the desert and herding goats is the not the issue.

    It’s the same old free-pass given to religion by the Christian “culture” because they got their book of bullshit we are supposed to believe as well.

    How unfortunate that parts of the 5,000-year-old Canaanite BS was kept alive. The ancient gods would be laughing their asses off if they were real. This murdering for nonsense; when is it ever going to be called out.

    I lifted my hands to Baal-Shamem.
    Baal-Shamem answered me,
    Baal-Shamem spoke to me through prophets and heralds;
    Baal-Shamem said,
    “Fear not! I am he who made you king.
    I stand with you;
    I deliver you from all these kings who lay siege against you.”
    (Noll 2001a, p. 210).

    #50752
    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Fellow Unbelievers,

    What needs to be done is that someone needs to infiltrate Gaza and set Hamas members against each other and set Palestinians against Hamas. This way, any and all civilian deaths are solely on Hamas’ hands.

    #50753
    jakelafort
    Participant

    Enco, do you think any of the responsibility for Hamas is with Palestinians? Obviously not children!

    If some responsibility includes not only Hamas but the people of Gaza (Germans were blamed for their support of the Nazi regime and have taken responsibility after the fact unlike Japanese and Turks) then is the response of Israel reasonable under the circumstances? How would USA react?

    #50754
    TheEncogitationer
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    Jake,

    You ask some deep and very pertinent questions.

    The position of Gazan Palestinains under Hamas and West Bank Palestinians under the Palestinian Authority (PA) is much like citizens under the former Soviets or in Red China. Words said under duress cannot be taken at face value, so it’s hard to say how much Palestinians actally support Hamas or the PA.

    I did see a video one of Palestinians protesting Hamas corruption in the streets and getting suppressed by Hamas, but I’ll have to look again for the URL. These Palestinians are doing the right thing at great risk.

    Retaliation for acts of terrorism or war should be as close to the source and as far from uninvolved civilians as possible. Perhaps luring Hamas away from their human shields is one possibility of giving monsters the justice they deserve without becoming a monster.

    While doing that and after destroying the terrorists, we could use social media and PR campaigns to show Palestinians that the ways of Hamas and other Islamist terrorist are a path to destruction for their people and that others have built successful nations on the ways of freedom, tolerance, industry, commerc3, and peace.

    Just what occurs on the top of my head. I’ll most likely have more elaborate thoughts later.

    #50755
    Unseen
    Participant

    The position of Gazan Palestinains under Hamas and West Bank Palestinians under the Palestinian Authority (PA) is much like citizens under the former Soviets or in Red China. Words said under duress cannot be taken at face value, so it’s hard to say how much Palestinians actally support Hamas or the PA.

    For once we agree on something. If it looks like Hamas has the general support of the Palestinians in the area where they hold sway, one has to remember that, yes, Hamas are terrorists and that the people who live under such a regime have to either seem to be supporting them or at least keep their objections to themselves.

    The rancid Netanyahu administration sees this as complicity and takes the genocidal position that “There are no innocent Palestinians,” which is just another way of saying “The only good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian.”

    #50756
    Davis
    Participant

    There has to be accountability within Gaza for what Hamas does. They are elected (even if it is done, to some extent with anti-democratic measures). There are ways to resist Hamas. Survey after survey shows majority support for militant crimes against innocents and a majority support for Hamas in Gaza (over half the populace has a positive view of Hamas). Everything is nuanced of course, but eliminating accountability is foolish. That isn’t to say that getting leaders to change their policies is easy, but broad support is enabling.

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