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Sunday School 25th April 2021

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  • #37554

    Davis
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    That is a logical interpretation; however, I believe they are advocating for men collectively segregating. Basically:

    Shake shake shake that sack!

    #37555

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    What is not needed is harping on a “rape culture” without firmly defining terms.

    I think @theencogitationer has a point – “rape culture” is a massive downer.  Why not frame it in more neutral or positive and less gruesome terms, such as misogyny, sexism, or consent culture?  Who wants to be thinking about rape the whole time?

    Anti-social sexual behaviour, is a good name for it.

    #37556

    Davis
    Moderator

    Who wants to be thinking about rape the whole time?

    Uhhh…that’s the problem Simon. People want to ignore how serious of an issue it is. Calling it something less horrific is downplaying the problem. Let’s call gay bashers beating up stupid little faggots a “gender-norm disagreement rudeness” or the number of gun death massacres in America a “weapons surplus issue”.

    #37557

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    “Rape culture” is going to stick because it’s snappy and catchy.  But men need to get used to that paradigm, of being seen as potential rapists.  However, that’s an accurate paradigm according to that pyramid diagram.  Lack of consent, and coercion, are rapey.

    #37558

    Davis
    Moderator

    “Rape culture” is going to stick because it’s snappy and catchy.

    I am not longer surprised how effortlessly these conversations turn into the surreal and grotesque. Jesus leaping mother fucking shit-stick garbage dumpster crap-fest bonkers zheeeeesh!

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    #37560

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    This is what I mean.  We have to call it something, but “rape culture” is an unpleasant name, although somewhat descriptive.

    We could call it patriarchal abuse.

    #37561

    _Robert_
    Participant

    One might also say the US is a white supremacist culture, a homophobic culture, a transphobic culture, a billionaire/celebrity worship culture, pro war/violence- as-a-solution culture, an anti science culture, it-goes-on-and-fucking-on…..

    What is at the root of all of this…do you suppose?

     

     

    #37562

    What is at the root of all of this…do you suppose?

    I am going to go out on a limb here Robert and make a wild guess. Could it have anything to do with fundamentalist religious beliefs??

    I know it will surprise people to find I could think or say such a thing so just putting it out there to see if anyone might think my suggestion could possibly have some merit.

     

    #37563

    Autumn
    Participant

    People fear loss of stability. However shitty their lot might be now, the idea of it getting worse or that they may no longer know how to navigate the of world tomorrow results in a constant background uneasiness that manifests as stress. But most people being much closer to the bottom rung of the ladder than the top sense that they can be knocked off entirely with less effort than they may like, or that the rung above them, no matter how inaccessible in reality, could be cut away thus closing their opportunity to ascend.

    The desire to preserve the word they can survive in today—that they can make sense of today—leads to an irrational bias favouring preservation of the status quo. The stress they experience needs an outlet. A sense of abstract instability and foreboding doesn’t cut it. It’s too intangible, and it’s too conflicting to think that the society they depend on for stability may also be the biggest source of their vague and foreboding feelings of insecurity. Something more concrete is needed. Perhaps certain innate xenophobic tendencies make it easier to place blame on the ‘others’ for that sense of general uneasiness. This results in cognitive dissonance, however, as it’s just a rationalization. Cognitive dissonance increases stress. A strong desire to remove the perceived source of that dissonance can, in extreme cases, translate to violence.

    That’s my guess.

    #37564

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Robert,

    There is an interesting dynamic lately, but I really don’t know about the actual “scale” of what I have been seeing. Men having access to unlimited free porn, virtual sex video games, legions of ‘only fans’ type “online girlfriends”, sex robots and MGTOW encouragement channels after many witnessed their fathers get “divorced raped” as they put it. It appears to be more difficult to approach females than in the past.

    Ya think? An automobile with a greater than 50/50 shot of exploding on the roadways would never be allowed. Yet that is the state of marriage today and it usually women who initiate divorce proceedings. So, yeah, it is very difficult to approach women.

    And for all the “strong-independent-women-what-don’t-need-no-man,” they sure do line up at the trough to get married and later divorce and get the original “get-paid-to-exist” stimulus programs called alimony snd palimony!

    (While I fully support the individual right of LGBTQ+ people to marry, with facts like these about heterosexual marriage, I have to wonder if LGBTQ+ want to marry from some Sado-Masochistic urge for equal misery.)

    And while we’re talking about difficulty approaching women, I’m sure the Duke Lacrosse Team wish they had never met false rape accuser and robber/murderer Crystal Mangum and her religious con-man promoter Rev. Jesse Jackson. I’m sure the Duke Lacrosse Team would have been better off if they had never sent a total of millions of Dollars in tuition to Duke University, which for all of it’s academic prestige, has no wisdom on justice and due process and believed lies over innocence.

    And all of New York City would have been better off if they had never met false gang-rape accuser Tawanna Brawley and her religious con-man promoter Rev. Al Sharpton.

    At the same time women are getting access to better economic opportunities and the ability to be very selective in choosing a mate and they have been waiting longer to start families and there is less stigma in becoming an unwed mother.

    That brings up an interesting point. For every man who is a genuine chauvinist, sexual harasser, spouse abuser, rapist, or murderer…who is it that raised him?

    Was a Father involved? Or was this boy basically an urban/suburban version of the feral child Mowgli, only with no kind woodland forest creatures to teach him “The Bear Necessities” and keep him from the “man’s-cub” nurturing by the likes of Shere Khan?

    And could this man have been an urban/suburban feral child because he not only had no Father, but had a Mother too busy chasing Helen Gurley Brown hype of “Having It All,” even though most women don’t have Hearst Corporation money to “Have It All?”

    Perhaps the 20’s will be a bad decade for wedding DJs. Or maybe all of this is just academic or limited to a small band of society and the urge to bond in a government sanctioned bond will prevail as in the past.

    I hope it’s a bad decade for wedding DJ’s, wedding caterers, wedding dress and tux renters, wedding and engagement ring jewelers, stag party venues, men-of-the-cloth, Justices-O’-the-Peace, and anyone else involved with that crummy, crumbly, dying institution known as marriage…until everybody, regardless of sex, gender, or orientation becomes better individuals to themselves and each other.

    Yes, there is a shitty deal going on in gender relations in our society, but it isn’t all the fault of men by any means and certainly not the average man you meet every day.  There is blame to go around and praise to go around and tarring everything with a brush of “rape culture” or any other “culture” is just lazy thinking.

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    #37566

    _Robert_
    Participant

    Perhaps marriage and longer lives are like oil and water, LOL.

    In it’s most basic religious form it was an exclusive share of her body and child rearing facilities for a share of his livelihood and physical protection, sanctioned by the big guy upstairs.

    It needs serious redefinition in an egalitarian society.

    #37567

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Robert and Fellow Unbelievers,

    False accusations are more than just rare or anecdotal.  The amount of false paternity claims directed at men are obviously prevalent enough that Maury Povich made an eponymous show and lucrative career out of Baby-Mama Drama for now on 30 years!  Hell, his show even has it’s own 24/7/365 slot on the Pluto.tv streaming service!  24/7/365!  Someone would have to be catatonic or dead to watch that much live-action soap-opera crap!

    In the realm of criminal justice, false accusations and false imprisonment happen in the thousands of cases, they happen with all kinds of crimes, including rape and sexual assault, they happen with people of all backgrounds (though some more than others,) and they undermine the efficacy and confidence in the entire justice system, no matter how many or few there are.

    Here is a Wiki Page with citations and links for further edification:

    National Registry of Exonerations–Wikipedia

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Registry_of_Exonerations

    #37569

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Robert,

    You bring up a very good point about life expectancy and marriage as well.  It’s not realistic to expect “till death do us part” if that length of time and the pace of change in that time is so precarious.  The same goes with things like career tracks and retirement as well.

    #37570

    Davis
    Moderator

    What is at the root of all of this…do you suppose?

    Religion plays a notable role (let there be no doubt). Obviously this is the case when secular humanist societies show less (and only less) racism, homophobia, money worshipping, war aggression etc. But the ugly side of human nature plays as much of a role. All of our primate relatives are capable of brutal violence and human beings didn’t evolve the natural instincts to handle a condensed society that produces a surplus of food and resources.

    #37580

    @Encogitationer – I got over Jesus stealing my girlfriend once I got me some Sunday afternoon chocolate.

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