Sunday School

[_Robert_]

America in Viet Nam or Russia in Afghanistan had little motivation and were not even fighting for themselves. No comparison to Israel fighting for survival against a ragtag terror group who intentional sacrifices civilian babies for press or stages scenes just like that. Hamas also persecutes all women, homosexuals, and non-Muslims and would probably grab you as a hostage and laugh at your pro-Hamas posts on an atheist forum before they cut your head off.

[jakelafort]

Israeli criminologist who has spent time with terrorists. Worth a listen.

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TheEncogitationer wrote:

I think now I remember now why I dropped out of this Forum several months back: Atheists may be free of the irrationality surrounding and derived from the idea of God, but they still can embrace other forms of irrationality.

Rather a nice interval I thought.

If I’m irrational, you could have replied rationally,

But, anyway, rationality is about facts. What we are arguing about here is not facts but attitudes.

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_Robert_ wrote:

America in Viet Nam or Russia in Afghanistan had little motivation and were not even fighting for themselves. No comparison to Israel fighting for survival against a ragtag terror group who intentional sacrifices civilian babies for press or stages scenes just like that. Hamas also persecutes all women, homosexuals, and non-Muslims and would probably grab you as a hostage and laugh at your pro-Hamas posts on an atheist forum before they cut your head off.

Hopeless, Starving, and Besieged’: Israel’s Forced Displacement of Palestinians in Gaza

The Israelis don’t cut people’s heads off. Their methods are impersonal and industrial.

[_Robert_]

Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:

America in Viet Nam or Russia in Afghanistan had little motivation and were not even fighting for themselves. No comparison to Israel fighting for survival against a ragtag terror group who intentional sacrifices civilian babies for press or stages scenes just like that. Hamas also persecutes all women, homosexuals, and non-Muslims and would probably grab you as a hostage and laugh at your pro-Hamas posts on an atheist forum before they cut your head off.

Hopeless, Starving, and Besieged’: Israel’s Forced Displacement of Palestinians in Gaza The Israelis don’t cut people’s heads off. Their methods are impersonal and industrial.

Especially if you are trying to kill them all the time. Maybe stop doing that? See what happens.

[jakelafort]

Just completed an experiment.

Searched genocide in middle east. Not Isreal or Gaza. Middle east.

Must have been a hundred sites or vids on Israel before i got to one on Iraq.

The pathological obsession with Jews and Israel is astounding. It causes not only the puppetting of others who share ideology but the imposition of entrenched narratives and arguments from authority and popularity. Universities have kids who can’t think for themselves. If they can’t how does the rest of society do? They can regurgitate like a parrot though. Those are supposed to be the brightest among us. Genocide, genocide, genocide, genocide, apartheid, apartheid, apartheid apartheid. How long have you been beating your wife?

In other words it makes stupid people even more easily manipulated. In my estimation skepticism is the basis of knowledge and intelligence. Parroting is the opposite. If you hope to get some semblance of how things are and which arguments are valid you have already lost the battle if you are an ideologue. If you revere authority figures and never learned to question. I grew up with an outspoken atheist dad who always enouraged me to question. So at age 11 and 12 i questioned him by reading theologians and apologists. Have tried to maintain that viewpoint. If we are incapable of changing our views we are in essence religious. Lost.

Thus Amnesty, the UN and other similar organizations have lost credibility because of their extreme anti-Israel bias. It results in well meaning individuals not realizing that the world is bigger than Israel. Assuming without evidence or knowledge that what their social media sites say, what their liberal networks say, what their cadre say is factual. It gives a free pass to monsters to commit fill in the blank in other parts of the world and getting no pushback, no coverage and those most in need no succor. It results in status quo for so many suffering under Islamic rule and Islamic culture. It results in the assumption that religion is a choice and as long as they don’t bother me i don’t care what goes on with THOSE PEOPLE. Thus no recognition of the evil caused by the massive cult to its own and no recognition of the threat to western civilization.

[_Robert_]

Jake, if someone is pro-Hamas or pro-Palestinians who support Hamas, they are not a liberal to me, period.

Palestinians on 9/11:

 

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@ Robert

I get it. America isn’t very popular among Palestinians.

Do you think maybe a lot of it goes back to America’s meddlesome role in the Middle East generally and our role in driving the people who were living in Palestine to make room for a quasi-European colony?

[_Robert_]

Unseen wrote:

@ Robert I get it. America isn’t very popular among Palestinians. Do you think maybe a lot of it goes back to America’s meddlesome role in the Middle East generally and our role in driving the people who were living in Palestine to make room for a quasi-European colony?

I still didn’t hear your answer. What do you suppose Palestinians should do to ease their own suffering? Apparently, you seem to think they can be victorious and should keep terrorizing, taking hostages and shooting shitty Iranian rockets at civilians.

[jakelafort]

Agreed. Not in the least liberal.

A lot of dancing the boogalu after 9/11 in Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Failure to properly ascribe cause of the hatred against US is dangerous. We have more ignorant youngsters who are intifada, jihad, celebrants than their elders. Not the demographic ya want.

The left misapprehends the cause of the hatred of USA, of Jews, of Israel. Deep deep religious and cultural antipathy to the perceived corruption of the west. Islam is pure as virginal snow. Americans are champions of debauchery. And if you listened to that criminologist she makes the interesting observation of how the sexual repression and other forms of repression are promised to martyrs. To channel a song…i wish that i had Jessie’s girl… In due time son…strap this thing on and walk into that crowd…all of the sex you can handle with hot virgins, beer you can consume and you will get an up close view of Allah and Mohammed.

The mosques have daily denunciations of Jews, of Israel, of USA. The UNWRA schools in Gaza are all about indoctrination and recruitment for Hamas. The west funds Hamas. Absolutely insane! Add in the poverty (Hamas uses the foreign money to do you know what) and contemplate how the elevation of degenerate goals coupled with support from mainstream lefties results in generation after generation of doing the same shit and expecting a different result, of victimizing infants by indoctrinating them into a very tragic future.

Not just Gaza though or the West Bank. Same shit all over the middle east. Religious indoctrination into the lefty narratives and religious hatred of Jews, Israel, the west and USA in particular. If Jews had lost the war in 1948 and lets say one of the Arab nations like Egypt occupied Israel and kept the Arabs living their in same condition they are in all over the middle east do you suppose their would be any intifada? Talk about a rhetorical question! And of course Egypt could have created a home in Gaza for Palestinians after they occupied it from i think 1948 to 1967 but they could care less about Palestinians. The Palestinians who are israeli citizens have it better than Palestinians anywhere else in middle east. And yet… The intransigence of the Palestinians and the Arabs all over the middle east in refusing a two state solution and continuing to fight Israel has nothing to do with colonialism or occupation. Did it make a difference with the Turks? Any protests anywhere on the globe? Any outcry? Islam is a supremacist religion. You ain’t their sect of Islam you aint jack shit. They want to convert all of humanity and they have a special antipathy for nonmuslims who are Jews. Jews were all over the middle east in large numbers as dhimmis and the differential treatment of Jews was perhaps comparable to treatment of Jews in Germany for much of the 19th century. In some ways worse. So to see your former subordinates who you despise climb to a position of autonomy and to outdo you as a nation creates great jealousy and hatred. It is intolerable.

There are plenty of voices of Muslims apostates who escaped Islamic oppression many of whom escaped under threats on their lives who try to tell their stories to the ones they call useful idiots. The useful idiots are pawns of Islamists who are being manipulated by terrorists. Those voices are stymied by lefties. Very very inconvenient truths are not tolerable to the lefties. So instead of being champions of human rights they are champions of narratives that they guard like the royal jewels. It is an utter betrayal of liberal values. And i am gonna stop writing because i could go on and on..

[jakelafort]

Yazidis.

Who cares?

The liberals?

In any event it is the Zionist entity and colonialists settlers who drove the Islamists to this crime.

Can’t remember where i read it but one particularly disturbing account of a Yazidi who was force marched with other Yazidis in which some died deprived of water and in hot sun. But when they reached destination and were starving the captors fed them meat that did not taste right but they were starving so… And then they were shown pics of what they ate and it was human. One of the women recognized that she was eating her own baby.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-sentences-woman-12-years-prison-genocide-war-crimes-syria-2025-02-11/

[_Robert_]

Welp, not sure if I’ll make to the Gulf of America any time soon as per Google Maps, but I’d much prefer a rename to the “Gulf of Cheap Eggs”.

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_Robert_ wrote:

Apparently, you seem to think they can be victorious and should keep terrorizing, taking hostages and shooting shitty Iranian rockets at civilians.

What would we do if we found ourselves in their place?

[_Robert_]

Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:

Apparently, you seem to think they can be victorious and should keep terrorizing, taking hostages and shooting shitty Iranian rockets at civilians.

What would we do if we found ourselves in their place?

Kick out the Iranian Mullahs, release all hostages, call for international aid and a strong UN peacekeeping force without any of the IDF (to deal with the remaining terrorists), assemble an interim leadership team to negotiate in goodwill with all the key UN parties and neighbors to arrive at a two-state solution alongside Israel with clearly defined borders. Hold elections. I hate to say it, but if they make Trump look good, they might be able to use him to secure financing.

They could give up the Gaza rubble altogether (but with guaranteed port rights) for a larger contiguous nation. Ultimately adopt a more moderate Islamic stance along the lines of Indonesia perhaps, maybe even something compatible with democracy. Become a shining role model of peace and prosperity for all reformed Islamic nations.

[jakelafort]

Zionist entity is sciency. For lefty’s the right to self determination of Jews is denied. Beyond that, some particularly racist lefty’s ask what value does Israel give to the world. Having same rights as other groups is not enough since higher standards and double standards apply to the Jews. Having right to defend each other when they were nearly exterminated is not enough. It is not hard to figure out what these folks are all about.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-841686

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-841333

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