Sunday School

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

I am trying to pick out factual errors in the video by Oren but have yet to do so. …

Why do Muslim refugees look for sanctuary in Christian countries, rather than other Muslim countries……..

…….The Arab Spring, also known in Israel as the Muslim Winter is a great example of how bad the situation in Muslim society is……

…and by Gay Rights, I mean the right to have the head connected to the rest of the body…

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

Me: how many Muslim countries are there and how many have democratic elections?

Chatgpt;

There are 57 countries in the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), which includes nations with Muslim-majority populations or significant Muslim influence. However, if we consider countries where Islam is the dominant religion, the number is around 50.

Muslim-Majority Countries with Democratic Elections
Not all Muslim-majority countries have democratic elections. Some are absolute monarchies, some are authoritarian, and others have flawed or hybrid democracies. Here’s a breakdown:

Fully Democratic Muslim-Majority Countries (Rare)
These countries have regular free and fair elections, peaceful power transitions, and strong democratic institutions:

Indonesia 🇮🇩 (largest Muslim democracy)
Senegal 🇸🇳
Tunisia 🇹🇳 (recent democratic backsliding)
Malaysia 🇲🇾
Albania 🇦🇱
Kosovo 🇽🇰
Partially Democratic / Hybrid Democracies
These countries hold elections, but they are often flawed due to restrictions on opposition, press freedoms, or judiciary independence: 7. Turkey 🇹🇷 (increasing authoritarianism under Erdoğan) 8. Pakistan 🇵🇰 (military influence on politics) 9. Bangladesh 🇧🇩 (opposition repression) 10. Iraq 🇮🇶 (democracy with instability) 11. Lebanon 🇱🇧 (sectarian power-sharing) 12. Morocco 🇲🇦 (constitutional monarchy with limited democracy) 13. Mali 🇲🇱 (recent coups but elections occur) 14. Niger 🇳🇪 (political instability) 15. Gambia 🇬🇲

Authoritarian Muslim-Majority States
These countries either have no meaningful elections or elections that are completely controlled:

Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 (absolute monarchy, no elections)
UAE 🇦🇪 (monarchy, no real elections)
Qatar 🇶🇦 (monarchy, controlled elections)
Iran 🇮🇷 (elections exist but under theocratic rule)
Egypt 🇪🇬 (elections exist but under military control)
Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan (former Soviet states, authoritarian regimes)
Syria 🇸🇾 (civil war, dictatorship)
Sudan 🇸🇩 (unstable, military-controlled)
Brunei 🇧🇳 (absolute monarchy)

Summary
Total Muslim-majority countries: ≈ 50
Fully democratic: ~6
Hybrid/partially democratic: ~9-10
Authoritarian/controlled elections: ~30+

[jakelafortParticipant]

I have listened to perhaps a dozen of Oren’s vids. He is logical. Concise. Invites critiques. Takes some of the questions from his haters. Responds effectively to Lefty’s who are knocking him. Israeli government should hire Oren and others to combat the pathological Jew hate masquerading as opposition to zionism and concern for Palestinians. Jew hate is running rampant all over the world. Maybe not Laos or the Amazon rain forest but pretty much everwhere else. Does not seem like the trajectory is gonna change any time soon.

The Tour Guide Advocating for Israel

[jakelafortParticipant]

How long before USA has a University of Hamas?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/university-whose-students-invited-terrorist-to-campus-also-enrolled-former-hamas-official/ar-AA1z05St?ocid=windirect&cvid=f037a3ecfb554db2f6a3de1e08556d3b&ei=17

[jakelafortParticipant]

Not sure there is any way to underestimate how easily led humans are. Just get the river flowing and there is no intellectual capacity to find the bank.

[UnseenParticipant]

@ Reg

You use the term “fully democratic.” How many “democracies” are “fully democratic”? Would you regard the United States to be fully democratic?

[StregaModerator]

If we are talking democratic elections, then no, the USA does not have them, due to the existence of the electoral college system.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

Strictly speaking, the USA is not a “true” democracy in the purest sense, but rather a constitutional federal republic with democratic principles. It incorporates elements of both democracy (majority rule through elections) and republicanism (a system of laws and institutions that limit pure majority rule).

Why the USA is Not a “True” (Pure) Democracy:
A true democracy—or direct democracy—is a system in which laws and policies are decided directly by the people, rather than by elected representatives. This is seen in:

Ancient Athens, where eligible citizens voted on all legislation.
Some modern-day referendums, where citizens vote directly on specific issues.
The USA does not operate this way for several reasons:

Electoral College – The president is not directly elected by the people but by electors, which means the popular vote winner can lose (e.g., 2000, 2016).
Senate Representation – Each state gets two senators regardless of population, meaning smaller states have disproportionately more power.
Filibuster & Senate Rules – A minority in the Senate can block legislation even when the majority supports it.
Judicial Review – Unelected judges can overturn laws passed by elected representatives.
Gerrymandering & Voter Suppression – District drawing and voting laws can distort representation.
First-Past-the-Post Voting – This system favors a two-party system and does not always reflect proportional representation.

Why the USA is a Constitutional Republic:
The U.S. follows a republican model where:

The Constitution is the highest authority, limiting government power.
Elected representatives make laws rather than direct citizen votes.
Separation of powers (executive, legislative, judicial) prevents tyranny.
Checks and balances ensure no single group dominates.

So, What is the USA?
It’s best described as a constitutional federal republic with democratic representation rather than a pure democracy. It has democratic mechanisms (elections, free speech, majority rule in some areas) but also anti-majoritarian safeguards to prevent mob rule.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

The U.S. Constitution, at around 7,000 words, is remarkably short compared to modern constitutions (e.g., India’s is over 146,000 words). Yet, despite its brevity, it has endured for over two centuries. The key question is: Is it still robust enough for the complexities of the 21st century?

Why it’s still Functional:
Amendment Process – The Constitution allows for changes through amendments (though it’s difficult).
Judicial Interpretation – The Supreme Court adapts its meaning through rulings, shaping modern applications.
Separation of Powers – The three-branch system prevents unchecked power accumulation.
Bill of Rights – Fundamental rights remain central, though they are constantly debated.

Where It Shows Its Age:
1. Electoral College & Representation Issues

• The Electoral College can elect presidents who lose the popular vote.
  The Senate disproportionately represents smaller states, leading to unequal voting power.

2. First Amendment & Modern Speech Issues

Does free speech fully account for disinformation, AI-generated propaganda, and digital platforms?

3. Second Amendment & Gun Control

Written in a muskets era, now applied to high-capacity firearms and mass shootings.

4. Technology & Privacy

Fourth Amendment (privacy) was written in an era of paper searches—how does it apply to AI surveillance, biometric tracking, and digital privacy?

5. Lack of Proportional Representation

The two-party system is locked in by first-past-the-post voting, making third-party candidates nearly irrelevant.

6. Lack of Clear Emergency Powers

The Constitution doesn’t define clear crisis governance for pandemics, cyberwarfare, or climate disasters.

The Real Issue: It’s Hard to Amend
The amendment process is extremely difficult:

Requires two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of states.
This makes even widely supported changes (e.g., campaign finance reform, voting rights expansions) nearly impossible.

Verdict: It’s a Brilliant but aging Framework

The Constitution’s core principles are strong, but its rigidity may be a weakness in the modern era. The world has changed dramatically since 1787, and while judicial interpretation has stretched its meaning, it sometimes feels like we’re forcing modern problems into an 18th-century mold.

[UnseenParticipant]

@ Reg and Strega

I don’t think a country can claim to be democratic unless it adopts a one person one vote system, allows all (adults anyway) to vote, and holds fair election unblemished by significant political interference.

The United States fails on all counts.

And now, with Trump all but coronating himself Emperor, we may never even have another election.

Politicians around the globe have been learning how to influence voters and the Republicans learned so well that they got voters in the so-called “red states,” which benefit far more from Federal assistance than their blue state brothers and sisters, to vote for the guy who was clearly giving strong signals that those programs would be ending under his regime.

Factor in AI tools taking advantage of social media and I don’t even know what “democracy” will mean going forward.

Anyway, I think you’ll have a very hard time finding any deeply democratic Christian countries and, I believe, all of the avowedly atheist ones (the Communist countries) are authoritarian regimes.

I think the more democratic countries tend to be those where religion is seriously on the wane.

Israel pretends to be a democracy (a “parliamentary democracy”) but the truth is that it is a theocracy, a society that favors members of one faith over all others. In other words, systemic bias is a feature of the Israeli system not a bug.

The fact that Israel will cease to exist as a Jewish state when there is no Jewish majority explains a lot of the policies it imposes on the Palestinians, whose birth rate far exceeds that of the Israelis. Policies seemingly intended to drive Palestinians out of Israel. Policies which have turned into fodder for Hamas’s propaganda.

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[jakelafortParticipant]

Democracy is always gonna be compromised by money. We get the best democracy money can buy. Unless and until legislators are independent and not venal the other stuff is icing on the anti democracy dessert.

But it is distressing that money from abroad, Qatar specifically, can buy off our institutions of higher learning, suck face with tongue and spittle- riddled with gum con lefties, and to my surprise even infiltrate our high schools.

I knew Al Jewzeera is devil’s spawn had a version in English for lefties, a version in Arabic that makes no pretenses about it is objectives and obssession with killing Jews and killing Israel while leaving criticism of Islamic nations off limits. But i did not know they had a version for children of lefties.

When i think about how hard the USA fought against the adoption of communism of foreign nations (fight em there or fight em here) and juxtapose that against the apathy on one side and zeal to welcome on the other then my low regard for human intelligence is only heightened. Communism and Islam are two peas in a pod. So very much religions in a political sense. So very defined by irrational beliefs. The former at least has the excuse of noble motives at its core. The latter is the intentional sleep of reason and imposition of ways of life and values that are the very antipathy of all we hold most precious. It is those very values that separates us from our Christian forbears of centuries ago. MAMA. Make America Muslim again. Does not quite work as an acronym. Make America more antedilivian. Make America more atavistic. Make America more abhorrent. Ok Jake. Stop that. Stop that. There is nobody home. The river is overflowing its banks.

[jakelafortParticipant]

And as that river overflows its banks…I guess it is the Colorado River, the lefties are missing the grand canyon and fixating on a pothole.

[_Robert_Participant]

A real democracy requires well educated citizens capable of rational thought. Good night, Irene.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Well educated?

Like Columbia, Harvard, Princeton?

Well it seems education is no defense against stupidity. We have at least a third of Americans who are so enthralled with Trump that he can do no wrong. The most egregious shit and they are licking his boots. Trump and JC were right there instructing the founders of USA.

And the other side who are more likely to be formally educated are concerned with having only one viewpoint expressed. There’s! Free speech be damned. Humanist values utterly down the toilet in supporting a horrific mind virus that afflicts one quarter of the human population. And villifying the shining star of the middle east.

It is time for a noble experiment. Critical thinking from first grade right through higher education. We need to find out if people are incurably stupid or if there is a life jacket to help the masses survive the current and make it to the bank.

[_Robert_Participant]

jakelafort wrote:

Well educated? Like Columbia, Harvard, Princeton? Well it seems education is no defense against stupidity. We have at least a third of Americans who are so enthralled with Trump that he can do no wrong. The most egregious shit and they are licking his boots. Trump and JC were right there instructing the founders of USA. And the other side who are more likely to be formally educated are concerned with having only one viewpoint expressed. There’s! Free speech be damned. Humanist values utterly down the toilet in supporting a horrific mind virus that afflicts one quarter of the human population. And villifying the shining star of the middle east. It is time for a noble experiment. Critical thinking from first grade right through higher education. We need to find out if people are incurably stupid or if there is a life jacket to help the masses survive the current and make it to the bank.

Surprised you even consider a diploma from a pay-to-pass school (staffed by apologists of Islam) proof of any sort of education. My boss hired an Ivy League 4.0 GPA new grad and stuck him on my team even though I didn’t want him. I set him to collecting test measurement data and told him to write down all the test conditions, everything.  I get his report, and it looked like a daily diary. What time he went to lunch every day. Dude was 100% useless. He started writing bible verses on his cubicle whiteboard. I fired him a week later after yelling at my dumb-ass boss.

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