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[Strega]

Unseen wrote:

You could elimlinate almost all gun violence in America by simply forbidding anyone with an X chromosome to own or have access to firearms.

Did someone hack your computer?

[Simon Paynton]

Unseen wrote:

You could elimlinate almost all gun violence in America by simply forbidding anyone with an X chromosome to own or have access to firearms.

Do you mean a Y chromosome?  XX, XY?  I see your point: gun violence is almost exclusively male.

[Simon Paynton]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Occam’s Razor cuts those strings easily. One Universe with lots of unknowns is the best catch-all.

I don’t buy Occam’s Razor all the time.  I think it’s artificial.  Something’s the way it is, not necessarily the simplest way.

[TheEncogitationer]

Strega and Unseen,

No hacking was involved here. Unseen just demonstrated the GIGO principle of computer programming: Garbage In, Garbage Out.

Look, all problems created by homo sapiens could be solved by removing our X Chromosomes from the picture. But the only ones supporting that are the VHEMT.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement

And after 34 years, they don’t have the gumption to “be the change” and of course, their “solution” is by definition, not sustainable. And the TV series Life After People also demonstrates other problems with it.

And, of course, Unseen’s “solution” to gun violence requires humans with X Chromosomes and guns–overwhelmingly XY Chromosomes–to enforce it.

Start again, Unseen.

• This reply was modified 10 months, 2 weeks ago by TheEncogitationer. Reason: Addendum

[TheEncogitationer]

Simon,

I don’t buy Occam’s Razor all the time. I think it’s artificial. Something’s the way it is, not necessarily the simplest way.

Of course, something is the the way it is and sometimes it is complicated. All Occam did was pre-date “The Raven” and quoth: “and nothing more.”

What is explained by positing an alleged everything that exists “alongside” everything that exists? Doesn’t that just add to your problem to infinity?

[TheEncogitationer]

Simon,

Do you mean a Y chromosome? XX, XY? I see your point: gun violence is almost exclusively male.

The X Chromosome is shared by both sexes, so Unseen was saying no one should have guns. XY is male.

Simple explanation of a nonsense position, no? Score one for Occam.

[TheEncogitationer]

Robert and Jake,

All right, Robert, I at least see where you got the figure of 6.3 shotings a week, though the shootings are most likely not spread out and multiple shootings take place in one incident.

Jake’s AI, however, rightly points out that gun availability and gun prohibition are not the only factor in school shootings.

So, should both of your AIs have a duel to settle the matter? And if you’re both using the same AI, what are the questions you asked the AI?

[jakelafort]

To the best of my knowledge, information and memory i asked the following:

Are there any countries with widespread gun ownership and relatively low rates of school shootings?

It is hard to understand how Israeli citizens are so underarmed? Underarmed? Is that even a word? And after the latest incursion, bloodlust, sexual and mental depravity of the Muslims? Were it not for some snafu or disagreement Hezbollah was gonna be coming in from the north at same time. And don’t forget the intifadas. Periodic terrorism. How could you feel remotely safe without firearms? When i was practicing law i nearly got a gun cuz both me and my partner got death threats.

[TheEncogitationer]

Robert,

That was some interesting reading in the database.

One thing I note from the database is that only 17 shootings were motivated by “race,” even though 1966-1979 were some the more racially tense and violent times of the years in the database.

Only 113 were “Domestic with Targeted Victim” even with sexist/chauvinist attitudes prevalent at the same time.

And all this even though Academia and Media nowadays have the constant drip-drip-drip message that society is “systemically oppressive to the marginalized.”

Religion and politics didn’t appear to play any specific role in school shootings, unless those fell under “Psychosis.”

Only 31 fell under “Bullying” and only 1 fell under “Self-Defense”.

(Bombing and bomb threats in the 1960s and 1970s were another thing entirely, but explosives have long been banned from civilian hands.)

While none of these are good, of course, the kids clearly aren’t as messed up as some adults and all is not hopeless.

[_Robert_]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Robert, That was some interesting reading in the database. One thing I note from the database is that only 17 shootings were motivated by “race,” even though 1966-1979 were some the more racially tense and violent times of the years in the database. Only 113 were “Domestic with Targeted Victim” even with sexist/chauvinist attitudes prevalent at the same time. And all this even though Academia and Media nowadays have the constant drip-drip-drip message that society is “systemically oppressive to the marginalized.” Religion and politics didn’t appear to play any specific role in school shootings, unless those fell under “Psychosis.” Only 31 fell under “Bullying” and only 1 fell under “Self-Defense”. (Bombing and bomb threats in the 1960s and 1970s were another thing entirely, but explosives have long been banned from civilian hands.) While none of these are good, of course, the kids clearly aren’t as messed up as some adults and all is not hopeless.

I have seen many reports that crime rates have been steadily dropping for decades. The exact relationships between poverty levels, gun availability, education levels, mental health, drug abuse, and racial tension are not simple. Nevertheless, every parent of a school kid wonders from time to time, “is today the day”?

 

[Unseen]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:

You could elimlinate almost all gun violence in America by simply forbidding anyone with an X chromosome to own or have access to firearms.

Do you mean a Y chromosome? XX, XY? I see your point: gun violence is almost exclusively male.

You’re right. I didn’t flunk genetics in college ’cause I never took the course. LOL But hopefully everyone knew what I was getting at.

The great bulk of violence, gun violence included, is perpetrated by the male gender.

• This reply was modified 10 months, 1 week ago by Unseen.

[Simon Paynton]

Unseen wrote:

The great bulk of violence, gun violence included, is perpetrated by the male gender.

That’s true.  Most violence comes from men.  I put it down to the sexual competition between males.  That’s why they are slightly larger.

[TheEncogitationer]

Unseen,

You’re right. I didn’t flunk genetics in college ’cause I never took the course. LOL But hopefully everyone knew what I was getting at.

Well, since X Chromosomes are in fact shared by both males and females, as taught in any basic biology course, what you’re getting at is that you not only uphold a nonsensical position of gun control, but you ignore objective scientific fact to try and uphold it.

You and Ken Ham could share some notes.

The great bulk of violence, gun violence included, is perpetrated by the male gender.

And all too often a woman’s demands are behind it. See the White Father Campaign:

White Feather Campaign–Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Feather_Campaign

Also noteworthy, Feminists and Suffragettes were big forces behind Prohibitionism, that lead to the poisoning of untold numbers of casual drinkers and turned American city streets and Appalachian hills into shooting wars for organized crime moonshine territiory.

“Gentler sex” my ass!

[jakelafort]

I think it must hurt something awful to be shot. Whether it is worse than a longbow delivering an arrow i can’t say. I know it depends on the specific weapon though. Hatchet in the heart? Bad Thoughts. Have ya seen that on netflix? It is funny albeit disgusting.

Speaking of guns Baffert says he has a slew of 2 yr old Gun Runners who can run like a mutha. But ya never gonna get a price on any of those Baffert firsters so it is kind of worthless. For me it is an opportunity to write Gun Runner.

Oh speaking of weapons did ya see how the zionists deployed lasers first time in history of combat to shoot down i guess missiles and drones? Bunch of countries are working on it. Israel is ahead of the game. If it is mastered ya know it is gonna be used on offense as well.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake,

Oh speaking of weapons did ya see how the zionists deployed lasers first time in history of combat to shoot down i guess missiles and drones? Bunch of countries are working on it. Israel is ahead of the game. If it is mastered ya know it is gonna be used on offense as well.

So Marjorie Taylor Green-Teeth was right about “Jewish Space Lasers” after all? LOL

Well, if anybody could do it, the Israelis could. And lasers could make combat more targeted toward combatants and possibly minimize or eliminate civilian damage. Not that it would endear Israel to all it’s enemies, of course, but it would be a good thing for humanity as long as the scourge of war exists.

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