Samantha

Belle Rose wrote:
But now I also know that people are monsters and they don’t really give a shit about anyone but themselves

I’m sorry to hear about your mother.

What I’ve learned is that people enjoy doing things together, that benefit them both.  People are “mutualist”: what’s good for you is good for me.  Also, I always remember this: peo…[Read more]

Davis wrote:
You are indirectly victim blaming.

Yes, maybe it’s the fault of rapists, rather than, you know, the people being raped.  I saw on Facebook this column called Trad West (I think it was them – some right-wing Christian group) where they were saying that men would control themselves if women dressed modestly.  Most sinister.

@unseen – you seem to be thrashing around somewhat in your efforts to say that patriarchy doesn’t exist, or that women like being oppressed, or something.

A (as a group, with the help of all society) oppresses B (as a group, and individually).  Does it follow that B people are “Weak-willed quasi-children lacking the will to exercise any sort of a…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
we seem to have good, practical reasons for inheriting a patriarchic society

Because men hold onto their power by force, and by more insidious, manipulative means.  Women go along with it because they’ve been told it’s right / don’t want to be slut-shamed etc.

Belle Rose wrote:
And guys like that dumbass pastor never see any sort of real justice. Karma is a bitch tho

Yes, on the one hand he’s come out and said sorry, which is a big thing in today’s climate.  On the other hand he’s enabled a lot of rapists.  I hope now he goes on a long journey of working to eradicate the rape culture he previously enabled.

Unseen wrote:

Even you has to know that such evidence only prove you have questionable taste in whom you choose as friends and associates and the wife-beating circles they move in. Either that or The Gods of Randomness got you real good.

You could say it’s evidence that patriarchy is everywhere unless reconstructed by feminism.

All the women I…[Read more]

Anecdotal.  I heard about it happening to actual people, and also the feminists were complaining about it.

Unseen wrote:
I don’t see liberal democratic/Democrat males playing much of a role, so I don’t see it as a gender thing.

Wife-beating used to be the norm in left-wing circles, long before they got into feminism.  However, you raise an interesting, unresolved question: what’s the link between societal and domestic patriarchy?  Presumably men follo…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
So, you’re saying that males treat women like a resource and compete for that resource and that is how patriarchy comes about(?).

Pretty much.  Humans turn competition into cooperation via social norms.  The way they obtain that resource is through domination and control of women’s sexuality.

Unseen wrote:
Males as a group don’t gang up against females as if we are in a competition with them for some kind of resource or advantage. That’s patent nonsense.

I’m not saying that males compete with females for resources.  That would be nonsensical like you say.  I’m saying that primate males compete with each other for females.  Humans…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
I don’t. I know most religious societies do to a greater or lesser extent and that is one of the reasons why religions persist.

I was generalising.  I didn’t say which human males.  I think actually sometimes all of society participates in it, especially when organised religion enters the picture.

The Barbara Smu…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:
Rape is very likely a biological reality. Chimps are rapists too and they share most of our dna.

Here’s something I read recently: patriarchy in a nutshell, if we accept that human males cooperate to dominate and control females, via social norms, while chimpanzee males compete to dominate and control females.

When a female…

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_Robert_ wrote:
Exactly who are all these people allowing males to harass or get inappropriate with women in modern Western society?

Murder happens at alarmingly higher rates in African American culture. I guess we should call African Americans a “murder culture”, huh? It starts with rap music, property crimes and moves on the drugs and eve…

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_Robert_ wrote:
It is not acceptable in my culture.

And yet it goes on in every culture, a lot.  The spectrum begins with manipulation, coercion, violating boundaries, and potentially ends in rape.  Boys at school, and maybe everyone, needs to understand the connection.  They’re a matter of degree (objectively) and more or less devastating (subjectively).

_Robert_ wrote:
The word “culture” implies that such behavior is acceptable by our society.

I’m using “culture” in the meaning of a shared set of values, practices, knowledge, etc., of a group.  It’s morally neutral.  However, it contains its own version of morality.

Rape culture is pretty much defined as a spectrum of behaviour that wilfully breaches somebody’s intimate and sexual rights of consent and self-determination.

Davis wrote:
I hear guys joking about raping women as though it’s not a big deal. Jokes about how they have coerced drunken women into doing things they likely regretted (with high fives) and sharing tactics on how they can manipulate women into doing things.

It’s difficult, but challenging these things goes a long way.  People know that rape is…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
So, on the spectrum of severity which is of greater severity…A slap to the face today or no slap to the face today?

A slap or a rape.  There’s a spectrum of something going on there, perhaps in terms of intrusiveness of boundaries and injury caused.  It’s objective: the facts of what happened.  But the subj…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
Is some of it sort of OK when compared to the severe cases?

OK, it’s on a spectrum from severe to more severe.  If boys knew this, it might make them think twice if their behaviour is shown to be on a spectrum with rape.

Davis wrote:
I’m less concerned by men who get defensive over the above, and more by the general slowness in tackling rape culture in general.

I don’t seem to come across it much.  Andrew Tate is the patron saint of rape culture.  It was @robert who said that rape culture is a spectrum of behaviour from mild to severe, and this would be a goo…[Read more]