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[_Robert_Participant]

Simon Paynton wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:

It is not acceptable in my culture.

And yet it goes on in every culture, a lot. The spectrum begins with manipulation, coercion, violating boundaries, and potentially ends in rape. Boys at school, and maybe everyone, needs to understand the connection. They’re a matter of degree (objectively) and more or less devastating (subjectively).

Exactly who are all these people allowing males to harass or get inappropriate with women in modern Western society?

Murder happens at alarmingly higher rates in African American culture. I guess we should call African Americans a “murder culture”, huh? It starts with rap music, property crimes and moves on the drugs and eventually murder.

Many Islamic cultures are demonstrably pedophilic cultures, except in this case it really is acceptable.  Talk about sexualizing women. They have to dress them in sheets and hoods. So, the men don’t have to think about raping them. But no, they are not a rape culture either. Let me guess: It’s the Western white male patriarchy. Of course, LOL.

 

 

[UnseenParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

Murder happens at alarmingly higher rates in African American culture. I guess we should call African Americans a “murder culture”, huh?

On the one hand you seem to disapprove, but then that’s the same logic you apply to Islamic culture. They produce more terrorists than Western white culture so that means Islam is a terrorist culture.

As an aside, a lot depends on how you define terrorism.

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

I briefly dated a girl who told me she couldn’t orgasm unless she was “taken.” I take that to mean the oxymoronic “consensual rape.” The point is, there is no such thing as a rule that fits every case. That said, “No means no” is a good rule. In my work in the porn industry I wouldn’t coerce a model to do anything she didn’t want to do (they would draw what seemed like nonsensical lines in the sand on occasion). However, if she did say no, rather than attempting to force or browbeat her into doing what I was asking, I’d ask if she could articulate a reason, and more than once a mutually satisfactory compromise was reached. However, if no compromise was found, I’d drop it.

They don’t need your creepy patriarchy camera anymore with millions of young girls essentially doing porn in their bedrooms. They will have their fatherless children who will get to see mom in action. Just imagine how proud they will be!

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:

Murder happens at alarmingly higher rates in African American culture. I guess we should call African Americans a “murder culture”, huh?

On the one hand you seem to disapprove, but then that’s the same logic you apply to Islamic culture. They produce more terrorists than Western white culture so that means Islam is a terrorist culture. As an aside, a lot depends on how you define terrorism.

Actually, I’m OK with that concept. But I know the far left isn’t. Black Americans do need to take a hard look at why black on black murder is the leading cause of death for young black males. Oh, but that’s racist! Remember, feelings are the most important thing, more important than murder.

[UnseenParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

They don’t need your creepy patriarchy camera anymore with millions of young girls essentially doing porn in their bedrooms. They will have their fatherless children who will get to see mom in action. Just imagine how proud they will be!

Channeling Jerry Falwell’s ghost, I see. LOL

So, you’re seriously alleging that men wouldn’t like porn in a matriarchy? That strikes me as a conclusion in search of true premises.

I’m not sure where you get the idea that future single mothers are right now producing porn in their bedrooms. Not just a few, but millions of them.

I’d like to say you can’t make this shit up, but I think you just did!

[UnseenParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

Actually, I’m OK with that concept. But I know the far left isn’t. Black Americans do need to take a hard look at why black on black murder is the leading cause of death for young black males. Oh, but that’s racist! Remember, feelings are the most important thing, more important than murder.

So, if it’s not the much higher rate of poverty and the relative lack of opportunities for nonprofessional black males and the relative scarcity of suitable black males to form healthy black families, what is it blacks are supposed to do? It sounds almost like you think it’s time for some black on black vigilantism(?).

[UnseenParticipant]

Question for y’all who claim not to be Islamophobic, if you’re not Islamophobic, what does an Islamophobe look like? How do you define it?

[jakelafortParticipant]

Islamophobia is a term i had some ambivalence over because on the one hand as an antitheist it makes ISLAM the subject. To that extent i thought fuck that shit. On other hand Autumn if i recall argued it is a legit term that calls out bigotry against Muslims. I am opposed to any sort of bigotry that comes down on individuals for their sexual orientation, ethnicity, religious identity or what have you. Bigots typically utilize stereotypes, lies about innate characteristics, and ascribe to individuals the actions of a few within a group to all within that group and probably quite a few other BS ways to belittle or dehumanize. Thus the ambivalence.

When i did a bit of searching i saw the following quote that explains the way the word is used. “At the end of the 1970s, Iranian fundamentalists invented the term “Islamophobia” formed in analogy to “xenophobia”. The aim of this word was to declare Islam inviolate. Whoever crosses this border is deemed a racist. This term, which is worthy of totalitarian propaganda, is deliberately unspecific about whether it refers to a religion, a belief system or its faithful adherents around the world.”

That settles it for me. Katie bar the door. Islam is being coddled notwithstanding its insanely deleterious impact on civilization. The fact that progressives go along with the ruse thus causing their objectives to be thwarted is something i would have thought farfetched in a novel. Then again i would have thought same of Trump’s ascension. Bottom line is never underestimate the stupidity of the majority.

So today i stumbled on a shorty by Sudden Sam Harrison. He makes the case as well as i can and then some. I invite any of you who think the term islamophobia legit to listen and critique it. Where has Sam missed to boat and fallen off his rocking horse?

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

Exactly who are all these people allowing males to harass or get inappropriate with women in modern Western society?

Murder happens at alarmingly higher rates in African American culture. I guess we should call African Americans a “murder culture”, huh? It starts with rap music, property crimes and moves on the drugs and eventually murder.

I’m not saying that Western society is a rape culture.  I’m saying that rape culture exists in all societies the world over.

[_Robert_Participant]

Fuck political propaganda branding-language such as “Islamophobia” and “Rape Culture”.  It’s only good for dim-witted virtue signaling. Islam persecutes women, LGBTQ, and non-Muslims everywhere it exists. If you call yourself a liberal and can’t see that, you are pathetic.

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:

Actually, I’m OK with that concept. But I know the far left isn’t. Black Americans do need to take a hard look at why black on black murder is the leading cause of death for young black males. Oh, but that’s racist! Remember, feelings are the most important thing, more important than murder.

So, if it’s not the much higher rate of poverty and the relative lack of opportunities for nonprofessional black males and the relative scarcity of suitable black males to form healthy black families, what is it blacks are supposed to do? It sounds almost like you think it’s time for some black on black vigilantism(?).

You answered your own question. Old fashioned parenting would go a long, long way. In fact, there is not much wrong with society that great parenting can’t help to make much better. We could use parenting schools, IMHO. I’m sure that government can spend and do more to help raise poor kids. Is that what we really want and does it even work?

[UnseenParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

Old fashioned parenting would go a long, long way. In fact, there is not much wrong with society that great parenting can’t help to make much better. We could use parenting schools, IMHO. I’m sure that government can spend and do more to help raise poor kids. Is that what we really want and does it even work?

Every ethnic group is an island and it’s their responsibility to keep their ethnic fellows in line. Everything has a cause. The monumental problems facing the black community are standing on the shoulders of giants. Those giants being institutional slavery and the natural (though unjustified) tendency of humans to feel distrust and revulsion for The Other, a response that can only be fixed through familiarity.

You’re solution, which is basically “Fuck it. It’s a black problem, let the blacks fix it” seems to be a recipe for vigilante justice. Otherwise, I’m  at a loss to see the mechanics of your solution.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Color me ignorant on political neologisms. Rape culture is another one that i am not up on.

So here are my two cents and a stale bagel thoughts.

Rape is very likely a biological reality. Chimps are rapists too and they share most of our dna.

So i am sure rape occurs in every culture and among every group. However there are conditions that make it more and less prevalent. Egalitarian modern culture in which women have achieved or nearly achieved equality are i assume less prone to rape.

Power imbalances and dehumanization make rape more prevalent. So does the tabooing of normal sexual relationships. Bless me father for i have sinned. Obviously. Muslim culture obviously. Boy grows up and women covered up everywhere. Oh i saw some ankle today! Non muslims are garbage. So when ya can rape em ya aint doing nothing bad. Muslim immigrants in Europe. And those poor little girls that are fed to old fuckerz. Can only imagine how traumatizing for little girls. For that matter any culture that makes women worthless and in effect property are more prone to rape. And when the consequences for rape are minimal or nonexistent rape is more prevalent. Also if women won’t report it because they are not believed or stigmatized that will encourage rape.

Any dehumanization that happens in war. Russians raping the bejesus out of German women. Americans in Vietnam. It is part of war because wars typically have one side dehumanize the other. Hamas delighted in raping and why wouldn’t they based on the dynamics.

Probably rambling and worthless thoughts so back to the races…

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

jakelafort wrote:

Rape is very likely a biological reality. Chimps are rapists too and they share most of our dna.

Here’s something I read recently: patriarchy in a nutshell, if we accept that human males cooperate to dominate and control females, via social norms, while chimpanzee males compete to dominate and control females.

When a female chimpanzee undergoes sexual cycles (which happens for only a few months once every 5 years or so), the males in her group compete over opportunities to mate with her, especially as she nears ovulation, when her sexual swelling reaches its maximum size …. .  When many males are present, the most dominant, or alpha male, usually prevents any other males from mating with her.  Low-ranking males therefore try to lure estrous females into the forest, away from other chimps, where they can mate in peace.  These consorts may last for several weeks and, at Gombe, are responsible for roughly one-third of all conceptions.  If the female is willing to go, as she sometimes is, then the pair simply sneaks away.  But if the female is unwilling, the male will employ what Goodall … terms “a fair amount of brutality” to try to force her to accompany him.  He will repeatedly perform aggressive displays around her to induce her to follow him, and if she still does not follow, he will attack her.  It is impossible to tell how many consorts involve reluctant females forced to accompany males, because, in cases in which the female apparently willingly follows the male, she may do so because of aggression received from him in the past.  Indeed, Goodall reports a high frequency of “unprovoked” attacks on females in the early phases of sexual swelling, which she interprets as a male tactic to intimidate the female so she will be less likely to resist future efforts to mate with her.  Goodall … concludes that, unless a male chimpanzee is very old or ill, he can usually force an unwilling female to consort with him through these efforts. …

Barbara Smuts – “Male aggression against women – an evolutionary perspective” (1992)

 

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

if we accept that human males cooperate to dominate and control females..

I don’t. I know most religious societies do to a greater or lesser extent and that is one of the reasons why religions persist.

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