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Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:
And we can look at real crime data as well. 6.5% of the population accounts for 18.1% of the prison population. So almost three times the crime rate.

So, in Great Britain Muslims (who, let’s face it, face prejudices there) constitute a percent of prison population 2.78 times greater than their percentage of g…

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_Robert_ wrote:
And we can look at real crime data as well. 6.5% of the population accounts for 18.1% of the prison population. So almost three times the crime rate.

So, in Great Britain Muslims (who, let’s face it, face prejudices there) constitute a percent of prison population 2.78 times greater than their percentage of general…[Read more]

Well, it’s a mixed bag.  On the one hand it can be paranoid, aggressive and arrogant, responsible for the very worst that humans can do.  On the other, it’s a beacon of light.

what i think needs to be exposed is the dominant role of human nature in power dynamics and in adoption of beliefs.

Yes, why does it bring out the worst in people as well a…[Read more]

I started to read without finishing Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Migration, Islam and Women as Prey. It gets boring after a while. I got the message after so many stats. The Muslim immigrants are raping disproportionately to their numbers. They think of nonmuslims as garbage and it gives them an excuse to do their dirty work with a sense of impunity. They…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

jakelafort wrote:
Simon, does not seem like the reaction to Muslims in UK is racist or xenophobic.

It’s a right wing trope – “we hate Muslims”. Draw your own conclusions. The abuse of vulnerable girls seems to be disproportionately done by Muslims, it’s true. Although, everyone and his dog seems to be at them, because t…

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jakelafort wrote:
Simon, does not seem like the reaction to Muslims in UK is racist or xenophobic.

It’s a right wing trope – “we hate Muslims”.  Draw your own conclusions.

The abuse of vulnerable girls seems to be disproportionately done by Muslims, it’s true.  Although, everyone and his dog seems to be at them, because they’re vulnerable g…[Read more]

Simon, does not seem like the reaction to Muslims in UK is racist or xenophobic. Groups patroling to impose Islamic norms on nonmuslims like East London. And i believe other parts of Europe as well. Correct me if i am wrong.

And just a storm or Rapists. I just did quick search and saw the story about Rotherham and i pulled this quote…1400 white…[Read more]

One of the stated tenets of Atheist Ireland is “You have Rights, your beliefs do not”.

jakelafort wrote:
islamophobia

I don’t know what it’s like in the US, but in the UK we have quite a lot of Muslims.  Some right wing people are forever going on about Muslims this and Muslims that.  Muslims are going to take over.  Muslims are going to declare Sharia Law.  Muslims are a bunch of evil freaks.  I hate Muslims.  That is Islam…[Read more]

Simon, but that is what cults do!

They turn people into robots. Cults dehumanize and eradicate individuality. Cultists behave in reprehensible ways that would never occur in the absence of the cult. When cultist deviate from the clearly defined norms they risk severe punishment up to and including execution.

So obviously this is about…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:
Robert is describing the doctrine, belief and practices of that tiny cult. Is he tarring all 900 members of the cult? Or is he exposing the cult for what it is in simply describing it?

You can say that a cult has x, y and z doctrines, beliefs and practices.  But you can’t say that all the people in it are the same.

Simon, your words follow.

Religion is not a race, and therefore you’re not being racist. But it’s the same thing, to tar a whole group with the same negative brush.

So to use my example of a discrete cult of 900 in an enclave that is almost identical in its practices, belief and doctrine to Islam. And suppose Robert is describing the doc…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
Scientifically speaking, there is only one human race: Homo sapiens. The concept of different “races” is a social construct, not a biological one.

The different ethnic groups look different and are different colours.  But I agree, those are superficial differences.

@jakelafort – Reg, do you think most of the deconverted are happy to have had their world view challenged and deconstructed?

In the long run, yes.  When Andy Dufresne escaped from Shawshank prison, he may have missed the social life he had with his friends inside but he never thought that returning to jail would be a solution. Returning…[Read more]

But it’s the same thing, to tar a whole group with the same negative brush.

Scientifically speaking, there is only one human race: Homo sapiens. The concept of different “races” is a social construct, not a biological one. We share more than 99.9% of the same DNA. Any physical differences are superficial and not indicative of any fundamental b…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:
Ah, OK. A religion is a race now.

Religion is not a race, and therefore you’re not being racist.  But it’s the same thing, to tar a whole group with the same negative brush.

_Robert_ wrote:
Ah, OK. A religion is a race now. Sorry, that’s profoundly dumb and you should know better. If someone believes and practices Islam as written and taught, they immediately drop 50 IQ points. Just look around at Muslim countries. AKA Shitholes. How many are democracies? What is their standard of living? How many are d…

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It is clear like a pellucid mountain stream cascading over sparkling rocks made smooth by the intermittent spring flow. Down down the mountainside will it go gathering in the downstream pools where polywogs will grow. The mainstream has few stragglers who fight the current’s flow. Otherwise the current carries all wherever it may go.

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_Robert_ wrote:
This is what fundamentalism does for you. And they are hell bent on spreading that misery everywhere.

Facts. And when those life stories of abused and made-dysfunctional human beings get to the point of “righteously” destroying the rest of humanity, the only thing we can do is remove them by force, and let Allah sort them out. I…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
@ Jake and Robert Yada yada, yada… It is wrong/unethical/immoral to make sweeping generalizations about a group, even Muslims. Additionally, it’s illogical. It’s the fallacy of composition. Example: Some people have turned a novel idea into a million dollar business. So, anyone with a novel idea can become a millionaire. Despi…

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