Jim

Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
However, when I stumbled onto Laws of Form, it blew my mind.

Why did it blow your mind? I’ve heard it said it’s like an LSD trip for mathematicians.

The system is really “out of the box” thinking. Or in the box. Well, let’s just use half a box

Unseen wrote:
However, when I stumbled onto Laws of Form, it blew my mind.

Why did it blow your mind?  I’ve heard it said it’s like an LSD trip for mathematicians.

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
@unseen – The Law of Forms is a very interesting idea. I had never heard of it before. It is like applying an “Occam’s Razor” to algebra.

Many years ago, when I was in college, I was obsessed with logic, so I studied Russel, Carnap, the early Wittgenstein, and others. However, when I stumbled onto Laws of Form, i…[Read more]

@Unseen – The Law of Forms is a very interesting idea. I had never heard of it before. It is like applying an “Occam’s Razor” to algebra.

jakelafort wrote:
Point is all of the antecedents have to be examined to have a clear indication of why an individual is a lefty or righty. Pointing to some innate or chosen personality trait or empathy etc is misleading.

There are some personality traits that broadly correlate with left and right, but that doesn’t mean they cause them.  Left…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:
Not much programming you can’t do using only AND, OR, NOT, IF (x) THEN (y) logical. statements

Yeah, there are many ways of writing functionally identical logical forms.

BTW, you might be interested in G. Spencer Brown’s logical calculus as presented in his classic book, Laws of Form. His logic is notable for not having four b…[Read more]

I have a good friend who actually believes humans were created by god via a golem spell. His big argument is ‘something’ had to create all this. This is very common.

Religion gives life a purpose, explains its origins, promises eternal justice and escape from death. Plus there’s music and cupcakes and feelin good about yourself because you…[Read more]

@jakelafort I have for a long time thought people can be programmed with any beliefs I used to think it required early indoctrination…

It reminds me of a recent conversation I had with an Evangelical of some type. He was trying to tell me that he did not believe in Evolution. I told him I agreed with him. He looked puzzled and asked me to e…[Read more]

The pervasiveness of the Islamic agenda in our institutions of higher learning…cough, cough…is shocking even to a cynic. At least this one…

And even as i have for a long time thought people can be programmed with any beliefs i used to think it required early indoctrination. Nope..

jakelafort wrote:
Not sure whether a fervent progressive or Trumpist is more ardent. Man oh man they despise and dehumanize the other side. Both certain of their moral high ground and how intractably stupid the other side…

The love for Hamas in American Universities is not an accident. Look at Qatar alone….

In 2022, a report by the Network C…[Read more]

Not sure whether a fervent progressive or Trumpist is more ardent. Man oh man they despise and dehumanize the other side. Both certain of their moral high ground and how intractably stupid the other side…

Simon, outwardly and perhaps superficially it makes sense the distinction between universalism and parochialism. What is it that drives an individual to be more associated with the right or left?

What strikes me is the implicit assumption of free will. I am sure economics is a driver of one’s views. Twain said show me where a man gets his corn…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:
So yeah the average Trump supporter v the average progressive? Better educated is the progressive i have to assume. Big fat hairy worthless deal. If you want to support humanist values then being a progressive is the absolute worst possible way to do so. Progressives have become what they despise. I am gonna not rant.

It’s a…[Read more]

Yeah it is hard to avoid snickering at those morons. Jihadis? Sure if they were born into Muslim families in an Islamic nation. Are they essentially any different from the progressives?

What strikes me over and over is how stupid it is to credit identity politics. The far left is despicable in its creation and perpetuation of antisemitism. Funny…[Read more]

Reason is a BASIC requirement of logic.

10 LET X = 1 ‘ Assume X is a logical value, where 1 represents TRUE and 0 represents FALSE
20 IF X = 1 THEN GOTO 30
25 GOTO 50
30 PRINT “Continuing because X is logical (TRUE).”
40 GOTO 60
50 PRINT “X is not logical (FALSE), going to end.”
60 END

_Robert_ wrote:
Actually, even the logical construction of the premise is incorrect

You’re right.  If someone is a rapist then they are automatically a criminal.

Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:
Actually, even the logical construction of the premise is incorrect because of the use of ‘OR’. This implies that a migrant can’t be a mental patient AND a criminal AND a rapist. This first statement needs to be proven true before any rational inferences may be made about it.

“Or” is the oddball logical operator…

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_Robert_ wrote:
Actually, even the logical construction of the premise is incorrect because of the use of ‘OR’. This implies that a migrant can’t be a mental patient AND a criminal AND a rapist. This first statement needs to be proven true before any rational inferences may be made about it.

“Or” is the oddball logical operator because it comes…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
True premises used in an argument with a valid form must imply a true conclusion.

This is what I’m saying. Sometimes the premises given aren’t true, but a logically-formed argument can be made out of them. E.g. Donald Trump – “All migrants are rapists, criminals or mental patients.” “X is a migrant.” C…

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Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
True premises used in an argument with a valid form must imply a true conclusion.

This is what I’m saying. Sometimes the premises given aren’t true, but a logically-formed argument can be made out of them. E.g. Donald Trump – “All migrants are rapists, criminals or mental patients.” “X is a migrant.” C…

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