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Belle Rose replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months ago@The Enco
Thank you but honestly I really mean what I said and in an empowering way. I’m a warrior now and I honestly wouldn’t have it any other way.
My biological Mom died today 😢
But I’m SO grateful that I knew her and knew the story of where I came from. People take that for granted. And I am who I am because of her probably more than anyon…[Read more]
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Unseen replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoDavis wrote:
You are indirectly victim blaming. Zheesh. We get ride of crime by stopping criminals and not enabling them. Again, people can do everything any other reasonable person would, and still be a victim. Your attitude simply enables things to go on the way they always have and makes it hard to change things.Blame? You blame someone for…[Read more]
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TheEncogitationer replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoBelle Rose,
I’ve learned the best way is to give out the “Don’t fuck with me vibe.” I keep everyone at a distance now I don’t trust anyone. I’ve also learned that there is no such thing as any sort of “real criminal justice.” The only thing you can count on is you to protect you. You have to be a warrior in this world. Safety is an illusion and…
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TheEncogitationer replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoDavis,
I’m not sure which of us you are addressing, but if what you’re directed to me, you clearly misunderstood.
Rapists are like any other plunderer of Life, Liberty, and Property: They only stop when their plunder is made more difficult, more painful, and, if necessary, more deadly than acting peacefully.
What I have proposed is just that.…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoDavis wrote:
You are indirectly victim blaming.Yes, maybe it’s the fault of rapists, rather than, you know, the people being raped. I saw on Facebook this column called Trad West (I think it was them – some right-wing Christian group) where they were saying that men would control themselves if women dressed modestly. Most sinister.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months ago@unseen – you seem to be thrashing around somewhat in your efforts to say that patriarchy doesn’t exist, or that women like being oppressed, or something.
A (as a group, with the help of all society) oppresses B (as a group, and individually). Does it follow that B people are “Weak-willed quasi-children lacking the will to exercise any sort of a…[Read more]
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Davis replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoYou are indirectly victim blaming. Your entire commentary has been almost entirely about the victims and what they should do with little at all about rapists/predators and what they shouldn’t do (and how we can help stop them). We get rid of crime by stopping criminals and not enabling them. Again, people can do everything any other reasonable…[Read more]
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Davis replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoYou are indirectly victim blaming. Zheesh. We get ride of crime by stopping criminals and not enabling them. Again, people can do everything any other reasonable person would, and still be a victim. Your attitude simply enables things to go on the way they always have and makes it hard to change things.
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Unseen replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoSimon Paynton wrote:
Because men hold onto their power by force, and by more insidious, manipulative means. Women go along with it because they’ve been told it’s right / don’t want to be slut-shamed etc.So, men are engaged in a sinister conspiracy, fearful of out of control women (I guess). Meanwhile, you depict women in a way that almost…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoUnseen wrote:
we seem to have good, practical reasons for inheriting a patriarchic societyBecause men hold onto their power by force, and by more insidious, manipulative means. Women go along with it because they’ve been told it’s right / don’t want to be slut-shamed etc.
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Unseen replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoSimon Paynton wrote:
All the women I know have been raped and/or spiked and/or had domestic violence. None of the men have, although a couple were abused as children.I reiterate that either your choice of circles you move in is pretty poor or you’re the butt of a cosmic randomness joke.
Thinking back, I only know of three women who I know…[Read more]
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TheEncogitationer replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoDavis All Fellow Unbelievers,
Sad that this has to be said: It is not “victim-blaming” or “enabling rape culture” to say that individuals–of any sex or orientation–should exercise situational awareness, exercise self-defense when in imminent danger of death or bodily harm, and contact law enforcement when you think a crime has taken…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoBelle Rose wrote:
And guys like that dumbass pastor never see any sort of real justice. Karma is a bitch thoYes, on the one hand he’s come out and said sorry, which is a big thing in today’s climate. On the other hand he’s enabled a lot of rapists. I hope now he goes on a long journey of working to eradicate the rape culture he previously enabled.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoEven you has to know that such evidence only prove you have questionable taste in whom you choose as friends and associates and the wife-beating circles they move in. Either that or The Gods of Randomness got you real good.
You could say it’s evidence that patriarchy is everywhere unless reconstructed by feminism.
All the women I…[Read more]
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Belle Rose replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoI’ve learned the best way is to give out the “Don’t fuck with me vibe.” I keep everyone at a distance now I don’t trust anyone. I’ve also learned that there is no such thing as any sort of “real criminal justice.” The only thing you can count on is you to protect you. You have to be a warrior in this world. Safety is an illusion and a lie. Ther…[Read more]
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Davis replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoI’ve just said I’ve been in rapey situations, and instead of anyone going “I’m sorry to hear that, that’s bad, those guys shouldn’t have done that” I get “maybe you should pick these guys more carefully”. This is classic rape culture enabling. The nicest seeming guy in the world can turn out to be rapey.
I’m glad to hear you haven’t come across…[Read more]
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Unseen replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoSimon Paynton wrote:
Anecdotal. I heard about it happening to actual people, and also the feminists were complaining about it.Come on Simon. Even you has to know that such evidence only prove you have questionable taste in whom you choose as friends and associates and the wife-beating circles they move in. Either that or The Gods of Randomness…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoAnecdotal. I heard about it happening to actual people, and also the feminists were complaining about it.
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Unseen replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoSimon Paynton wrote:
Wife-beating used to be the norm in left-wing circles, long before they got into feminism.If I express a huge degree of skepticism, what proof or even evidence tending to support that assertion do you have?
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School February 25th 2024 in the forum
Sunday School 2 years, 4 months agoUnseen wrote:
I don’t see liberal democratic/Democrat males playing much of a role, so I don’t see it as a gender thing.Wife-beating used to be the norm in left-wing circles, long before they got into feminism. However, you raise an interesting, unresolved question: what’s the link between societal and domestic patriarchy? Presumably men follo…[Read more]
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