Jim

Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:
Murder happens at alarmingly higher rates in African American culture. I guess we should call African Americans a “murder culture”, huh?

On the one hand you seem to disapprove, but then that’s the same logic you apply to Islamic culture. They produce more terrorists than Western white culture so that means Islam…

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Unseen wrote:
I briefly dated a girl who told me she couldn’t orgasm unless she was “taken.” I take that to mean the oxymoronic “consensual rape.” The point is, there is no such thing as a rule that fits every case. That said, “No means no” is a good rule. In my work in the porn industry I wouldn’t coerce a model to do anything she didn’t want…

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_Robert_ wrote:
Murder happens at alarmingly higher rates in African American culture. I guess we should call African Americans a “murder culture”, huh?

On the one hand you seem to disapprove, but then that’s the same logic you apply to Islamic culture. They produce more terrorists than Western white culture so that means Islam is a terrorist cul…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:
It is not acceptable in my culture.

And yet it goes on in every culture, a lot. The spectrum begins with manipulation, coercion, violating boundaries, and potentially ends in rape. Boys at school, and maybe everyone, needs to understand the connection. They’re a matter of degree (objectively) and more or l…

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I briefly dated a girl who told me she couldn’t orgasm unless she was “taken.” I take that to mean the oxymoronic “consensual rape.”

The point is, there is no such thing as a rule that fits every case. That said, “No means no” is a good rule.

In my work in the porn industry I wouldn’t coerce a model to do anything she didn’t want to do (they…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:
It is not acceptable in my culture.

And yet it goes on in every culture, a lot.  The spectrum begins with manipulation, coercion, violating boundaries, and potentially ends in rape.  Boys at school, and maybe everyone, needs to understand the connection.  They’re a matter of degree (objectively) and more or less devastating (subjectively).

_Robert_ wrote:
The word “culture” implies that such behavior is acceptable by our society.

I’m using “culture” in the meaning of a shared set of values, practices, knowledge, etc., of a group.  It’s morally neutral.  However, it contains its own version of morality.

I’m sure she is very willful.

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Simon Paynton wrote:
Rape culture is pretty much defined as a spectrum of behaviour that wilfully breaches somebody’s intimate and sexual rights of consent and self-determination.

Nah. The word “culture” implies that such behavior is acceptable by our society. It is not acceptable in my culture. Neither is making false accusations; however t…[Read more]

Rape culture is pretty much defined as a spectrum of behaviour that wilfully breaches somebody’s intimate and sexual rights of consent and self-determination.

And of course, when you have so many who will vote for the scumbag Trump, perhaps that is because much of the population is considered “toxic”.

The far left may want to look in the mirror to see who it is that will get Trump back in power.

You want to see “rape culture” just go to a Muslim country where age 13 girls are sold to bald, old Mohammud. That’s OK, right @Davis because you are sooo progressive. He can have her stoned when she gets too old on some trumped-up charge,

No one here thinks rape or violence against ANYONE is OK. Around here the women complain men don’t approach…[Read more]

Davis wrote:
I hear guys joking about raping women as though it’s not a big deal. Jokes about how they have coerced drunken women into doing things they likely regretted (with high fives) and sharing tactics on how they can manipulate women into doing things.

It’s difficult, but challenging these things goes a long way.  People know that rape is…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
So, on the spectrum of severity which is of greater severity…A slap to the face today or no slap to the face today?

A slap or a rape.  There’s a spectrum of something going on there, perhaps in terms of intrusiveness of boundaries and injury caused.  It’s objective: the facts of what happened.  But the subj…[Read more]

See, Robert is a prime example of covering up and pretending rape culture isn’t a problem (especially with his toxic tropes like “cat calling” can be okay though “not if he is ugly” bullshit). And he is more progressive than a lot of men. It is a prime illustration of how much progress is left to be made.

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OK, it’s on a spectrum from severe to more severe…

I find that this way of looking at it can miss a crucial point. It is common for the legal system to see it like this and this filters the way society views sexual violence. But this spectrum is not real. It is an arbitrary and subjective way of looking at it that ignores the victims view poi…[Read more]

Simon,

But realistically, men aren’t actually being accused of being rapists, just of being dangerous, which I think is really a fair point. It’s clear that men as a species are potentially lethal to women. So, men should just suck it up if women are suspicious of them – it’s rational for women to be that way.

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Simon,

It would be good if the innocent weren’t so sensitive, because they shouldn’t mind being tarred with a brush because of the seriousness of the peril and danger for women coming from a minority of men.

If violent crime such as rape is a concern, then it is all the more pressing to not tar the innocent with the guilty.

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Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
Is some of it sort of OK when compared to the severe cases?

OK, it’s on a spectrum from severe to more severe.  If boys knew this, it might make them think twice if their behaviour is shown to be on a spectrum with rape.

Simon Paynton wrote:

Davis wrote:
I’m less concerned by men who get defensive over the above, and more by the general slowness in tackling rape culture in general.

I don’t seem to come across it much. Andrew Tate is the patron saint of rape culture. It was @robert who said that rape culture is a spectrum of behaviour from mild to severe, and thi…

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