Unseen

We have a pond on the property. In it, lives a really old, really big snapping turtle. I watched it grab a blue heron by the leg as I was lounging on the beach with a dram of whisky. The bird would get free and then get pulled under again. Over and over. Finally, just a few feathers floating in the water. All because of Eve. The lion does not lay…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:
This is the logic of christian apologists.

I was wondering when we’d hit post #55555. I missed it by one!

Unseen wrote:
Now, a final word on introducing the quantum world into the discussion. There is no predeterminism because quantum level events can influence events in the world of everyday Newtonian/Einsteinian physics.

I agree, and I feel responsible for potentially confusing a free will discussion with a mostly separate discussion on potential,…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
@robert “Evil” is defined in different ways in different times, places, and communities. In Sparta, for example, it wasn’t evil to murder deformed or weak babies. Even today, is abortion evil? Depends who you ask, doesn’t it?

Evil in the context of a “loving, all powerful god” is all and any suffering that he could easily prevent…[Read more]

When i was a kid and the topic of original sin was in play i was just amazed anyone would buy into that nonsense. Even JP with his ridiculous casuistry would not stoop so low.

But i wonder if an extension of that thinking is not in play in the Christian mantra, ‘Who Killed Christ? The Jews killed Christ!’ And today all of those putative sins of…[Read more]

Free will (as gifted by a loving god) as a way to explain away the problem of evil is such a provincial human excuse in stupidity. The idea that Adam and Eve lived in a perfect world without “evil” is stupid. There could be no evil tempting serpent, LOL. The idea that a single act of disobedience (as defined by a dictator) by one person (Eve)…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:

PopeBeanie wrote:
You define determinism as natural law, which is consistent with its standard use in science and philosophy: every event or state of affairs results from prior states according to fixed laws.

I realize I frame determinism that way but to be more precise every state of affairs is the result of its antecedents.…

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PopeBeanie wrote:
We are endowed with an ability to predict (or at least speculate on) futures, even when the universe itself is, by nature, NOT endowed with that ability.

You could say the evolution as an unconscious process is making predictions as to what combinations of attributes will succeed in the future.

PopeBeanie wrote [while quoting ChatGPT]:
You could clarify what you mean by “external agent.” Predetermination does not require consciousness or an agent; it simply refers to outcomes being fully predictable given sufficient knowledge of a system’s initial conditions and laws. This applies even to purely physical processes.

I do want to clari…[Read more]

LOL, IMO, you’re sounding more intelligent than the AI, in this case, as it looks like it’s just responding as basically as possible. Also, did you set it to respond to you more interactively, as it’s always asking for your opinion.

I’m still only at a basic level, and am interested in the wave collapse as if entangled particles must exist on a…[Read more]

@PopeBeanie  – Although I don’t see how discussion of quantum level dynamics can possibly shed light on classic level physics, a new question has come to my mind that I can ask ChatGPT about: What, if any theories propose what the nature of quantum entanglement could have been on a macro scale at the big bang?

That is very similar to a ‘c…[Read more]

You can download a free ChatGPT app for your phone. Just select the voice you want to converse with and press the microphone button.

Android one is here

Pope i just had a conversation will Meta that lasted an hour and a half. I was thinking about the Turk’s slaughtering Armenians and began by asking for some of the history and what the Turkish apologists said. We ended up discussing all kinds of shit.

It has evolved so insanely fast. I am gobsmacked. First off as i indicated in a prior missive…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:
any LLM like Chat gpt or meta

Dang, can’t believe I didn’t think of that.

I always tell people to ask it questions in a way that you’d try to ask human experts. What’s been written on the net by humans is what LLCs draw from to formulate answers. (But sometimes it’s inaccurate, like humans can be… but it listens to your…[Read more]

@Unapologetic – get it from here.

Unapologetic i suggest you utilize any LLM like Chat gpt or meta to find answers readily to such questions.

Most personality tests are bunk. Whenever I am an employer I always meet potential staff face to face. Using AI (non human) is a waste of time. Why employ someone you never met?