Sunday School

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

TheEncogitationer wrote:

That is possible, although Religious and Crunchy people, both Left and Right, have messed up the word by calling perfectly natural things in the Natural Universe “unnatural”, e.g. “unnatural food” or “unnatural acts.”

If something happens or manages to exist or to be manufactured, it satisfies the laws of nature and is ipso facto “natural.”

Instead of simply “not knowing”, religious apologists resort to bad logic and philosophy to answer physics problems with gods as the solution. So, imaginary realms and beings are conjured up, and theists are immortal!

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

If something happens or manages to exist or to be manufactured, it satisfies the laws of nature and is ipso facto “natural.”

Precisely! A man’s dam is as natural as a beaver’s dam.

And Deoxyriboneucleic Acid is natural as well, but to hear the Crunchy people talk, if it has a hard to pronounce chemical compound, it’s best to avoid eating it. That makes for a pretty bare kitchen there, Sunflower.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Robert,

Instead of simply “not knowing”, religious apologists resort to bad logic and philosophy to answer physics problems with gods as the solution. So, imaginary realms and beings are conjured up, and theists are immortal!

And somehow, we Unbelievers ended up being smered as the arrogant, preumptuous ones.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

Would they buy a Honda or Peugeot if it was made in Mississippi or Kentucky?

I found out 30 years ago–no, 38 years ago–that Ford Escorts had parts from France and South Korea and were put together in Mexico. This is going to be a real shocker for MAGA who want their American vehicles artesan-made from local on-board electronics and steel parts from backyard blast furnaces.

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[jakelafortParticipant]

“And somehow, we Unbelievers ended up being smered as the arrogant, preumptuous ones.”

It is written.

If one were to credit a theist with a modicum of perspective instead of a cave of ignorance the arrogance is outstanding.

[UnseenParticipant]

Trump’s lies are not ordinary lies. He lies like Big Brother in 1984. “Don’t believe your lying eyes.” He does not lie to deceive. His lies are a loyalty test.

A guy I used to count as a friend (we were both photographers) is a MAGAhead now. He’s actually a successful attorney, so he’s no idiot. Still, he will not concede that Trump ever lies.

Lance Armstrong lied hoping to br believed. Trump lies to see who’s loyal to him. Who’s in his cult.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

PopeBeanie wrote:

I.e. it’s more like a cosmological distance dimension is increasing.

I think that’s very true, @popebeanie.  Or, more than one dimension.  All the dimensions maybe.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

Unseen wrote:

It is at best a faulty analogy and here’s what’s wrong with it. That example envisions a three-dimensional object, the ball, on a two-dimensional surface, which is easy to visualize. However, a real massive object exists in a three-dimensional space. Infinite number of planes. In the one-dimensional example, we see it sinking into the plane. Sinking in one-dimension in other words. But can it sink into an infinite number of planes? The analogy breaks down once you stop to think about it.

You’re right, the “ball” doesn’t exist as a ball at all – but the distortion is real.  How can we visualise the higher dimensions?  If you go above a plane into the third dimension, you can see all the plane at once, embedded within 3-d, from the vantage point.  If we go “above” our three-dimensional world, we go into the fourth dimension of time, from which we can see the 3-d landscape, embedded within spacetime, some way into the past and future.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

Simon Paynton wrote:

If we go “above” our three-dimensional world, we go into the fourth dimension of time, from which we can see the 3-d landscape, embedded within spacetime, some way into the past and future.

Hang on, I’m not sure about that.  It’s “some way in space”, not the past and future.

To go “above” our world, it’s a 4-d world, so we need the 5th dimension, to see the neighbouring 4-d world from the 5th-dimensional height of our vantage point.

[PopeBeanieModerator]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Or, more than one dimension.  All the dimensions maybe.

In string theory they speak of 10 or 11 dimensions (I forget which). I’ll never understand the theories, but the most convincing argument to me is about how entanglement of two particles can be broken instantly, even when those particles are separated by a distance that would would take light a significant time to traverse.

I finally asked the right questions to get a ChatGPT response confirming my idea that instantaneous disentanglement could occur if a dimension exists where those two particles are actually very close to each other, or perhaps even still joined as one particle or wave.

E.g. via a “wormhole”, which has been an idea for a long time now. Although I still don’t know if I’m using the right terms. Not sure if it makes sense, but I think of it now as a “lower” dimension.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

PopeBeanie wrote:

instantaneous disentanglement could occur if a dimension exists where those two particles are actually very close to each other, or perhaps even still joined as one particle or wave.

In higher dimensions, that could happen.  That makes perfect sense in its way.  Distance is distance, in 1-dimensional units, no matter what dimension we are in.

Simon Paynton wrote:

It’s “some way in space”, not the past and future.

When we travel in the time dimension, we can travel in space too.  When we travel in space, we travel in time.

[PopeBeanieModerator]

Unseen wrote:

Trump lies to see who’s loyal to him. Who’s in his cult.

L. Ron Hubbard, creator of Scientology was a science fiction author, who eventually made claims like he was a (nuclear?) physicist, Buddha in a past life, and he kept writing the most unbelievable origin stories and how people can nurture their superpowers, even learning to contol matter, energy, space and time (“mest”). Some really bright people fell headfirst right into it, spending their whole life supporting him and Scientology.

The paths of some cult leaders, after gaining a huge following, eventually lead to not being able to separate their own fictional teachings from reality.

Now add enablers like Musk, other billionaires, almost all of GOP, P2025, MAGA, and Christian Nationalists to Trump’s support team.

Human beings smelling blood and eager to decapitate any opposition. If we survive this, we might be strong and good for what, another 25 years or so? How would Shakespear write about this?

[_Robert_Participant]

I have pretty much ditched all the MAGA supporters from my world. Feels good.

 

[jakelafortParticipant]

“I would like to quote what you said last time, that ‘there’s nothing that’s more important to this court than due process rights and fundamental fairness.’”

Mahmoud Khalil addressing the court that ruled gov can kick his sorry ass to Timbuktu or seaworthy to Davy Jones locker! Ain’t that rich having the scum of the earth intend to capitalize on cherished American/western values? Free speech! Due process! To the scum of the earth and his ilk that would park a caliphate in Nebraska and impose a regime sans any mofo rights.

[StregaModerator]

With respect to the regime without any rights, I am hard pressed to see that as something different than that which the current administration aims for.

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