Steve Dustcircle

_Robert_ wrote:

Unseen wrote:
You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

It seems that with any sort of absolutes there ends up being a gazillion exceptions. Give us an absolute that h…

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Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

Yes you do, you have physical and scientific facts to build the foundation on.

Facts are in one realm and values are in another one and never the twain shall meet…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
But it doesn’t follow from that that it can’t be intelligent or conscious in a way it that serves its interests rather than ours.

You’re right, it doesn’t.  But your statement is also consistent with the idea that it can never be human.

Unseen wrote:
You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

Yes you do, you have physical and scientific facts to build the foundation on.

Unseen wrote:
You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

It seems that with any sort of absolutes there ends up being a gazillion exceptions. Give us an absolute that has no e…[Read more]

You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

I did use AI to help write a song and make suggestions. And then I didn’t care for it, but there is a reasonable workflow if you don’t let it just go hog-wild.

Rather than relying on an ultimate supernatural authority, secular morality can rest on a foundation of shared humanity, reason, and an ongoing commitment to reduce suffering and promote flourishing.

That’s a decent summary.

Unseen wrote:
The aibient Youtube channel puts out hyperrealistic AI-created 11-12 hour long simulated 3D videos like this virtually daily: Imagine how much it would cost and how much time it would take to hire a video artist to create anything like this if the stipulation was “no AI”.

When it comes to music, quantity doesn’t posses a qual…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:
An AI can never be human-centred, because it’s Artificial.

But it doesn’t follow from that that it can’t be intelligent or conscious in a way it that serves its interests rather than ours.

Unseen wrote:
Your considerations are all human-centered. An intelligent AI needn’t be.

An AI can never be human-centred, because it’s Artificial.

State-of-the-art, which is to say, pretty dumb in some places but fair enough a lot of the time.  Yes, the AI has done a good job of summarising the field in my opinion.

The question of whether morality must originate from an absolute authority, particularly a supernatural one, is central to a lot of philosophical debate between theists and secularists. Many religious apologists argue that without a divine authority, there can be no objective basis for morality, meaning there’s no ultimate “right” or “wron…[Read more]

I met up with a cousin of mine a while back. He said “I gotta say thanks man for making me listen to Volume 4 when I was 12. I have discovered so much great music because of that and it has enhanced my life at all of it stages”.

Forty years later, it is still a great album. It has inspired many bands but none have surpassed it.

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The aibient Youtube channel puts out hyperrealistic AI-created 11-12 hour long simulated 3D videos like this virtually daily:

Imagine how much it would cost and how much time it would take to hire a video artist to create anything like this if the stipulation was “no AI”.

Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
We don’t know what to ask or we ask the wrong questions. What’s the key difference?

AI isn’t capable of coming up with an intelligent, guided question. It can come up with random questions, but it knows not what it is to love, or value things, or breathe the fresh air. In other words, it’s not guided by human v…

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_Robert_ wrote:
I would be much more interested in knowing if morality must originate with an absolute authority (who is a supernatural being) as so many apologists claim and if not, what/who is the basis for secular morality.

I think that giving a sensible explanation of secular ethics, provides a credible alternative to any story about divine…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
We don’t know what to ask or we ask the wrong questions. What’s the key difference?

AI isn’t capable of coming up with an intelligent, guided question.  It can come up with random questions, but it knows not what it is to love, or value things, or breathe the fresh air.  In other words, it’s not guided by human values, exper…[Read more]

I don’t care about auto tune. At least it’s a human voice. I’m interested in music because of the people involved, their stories and I how can hear those stories in the music. When Robert Johnson sold his soul at the crossroads to play guitar. The day the music died in a plane crash and good ole boys were drinking whisk and rye. When the Beatles…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:
Music is interesting because of musicians. And well AI just doesn’t have that.

And yet, even “real” musicians are faking it as the Wings of Pegasus guy is exposing it. I’m referring to artists who lip sync live and others who abuse Autotune.