jakelafort

Simon Paynton wrote:
To buy a woman all her drinks or an expensive dinner puts her under an obligation.  She might prefer to pay for them herself to avoid that.

And yet, many women who think of themselves as feministic still yearn for the benefits of chivalry. The best of two worlds.

Simon Paynton wrote:
Your argument reminds me of a book about Islam I read, by a (male) Islamic scholar.  He says that women like staying indoors, and not being able to go out, so “that takes care of the accusation that Islam represses women”.

Your arguments remind me of a guy interpreting shadows in Socrates’ famous cave.

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Simon Paynton wrote:
It’s true that in the classical evolutionary great ape patriarchy model, females are protected and cared for by the alpha male.  But biologically, this is for the purpose of keeping them safe for reproduction.  It comes as part of the package of the classical model.

Women are physically a bit more vulnerable than men, esp…

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Then this rubbish is being taken seriously.

Simon Paynton wrote:
Complete egalitarianism gives women freedom from patriarchy too, for the same reasons (mobility, independence from individuals, lack of power structures, etc.), and since men aren’t competing, there’s no need for patriarchy anyway.  These days, since patriarchy has returned with the dawn of “civilisation”, inequali…

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So the gist of the, what should be an utterly non-controversial statement in a non crazy universe is:

Women being raped is a problem, it is not a small problem, this shouldn’t happen, we can all do our part to stop it.

But I am Yet to read a person agreeing rape is a problem, not a small problem, that we should do what we can to stop it (except…[Read more]

@Jakelafort – That line was in Chaucer.

🙂 from me before 8 AM……...choice or reason 🙂

@ Jake

The “free” in “free will” is different from the “free” in “free thinker.” A free thinker is someone who thinks outside the majority echo chamber, not someone who thinks free of the workings of his/her nervous system.

@ Simon

I think, as a general rule in nature, animals that work cooperatively in groups are either matriarchies or patriarchies, are they not?

Wolves, chimpanzees, hyenas…even bees and termites.

Why should humans be any different?

Seems like these are patterns species fall into naturally. What is unnatural is trying to reason it away.

I like Camille Paglia.

I would have some respect for her academic work. However when Sinead O’Connor tore up the picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live in the early 1990’s she commented that the abuse O’Connor suffered was justified.  Very weird for a feminist and professed atheist to side with the Catholic Church.

@jakelafort – It’s still before 8 AM here so have I a choice or reason to ever think all that glitters is gold?

@ Simon

If I were to take the position that “There is no such thing as patriarchy in a democracy” as long as women are free to participate in the process, what could you offer as proof I’m wrong?

Maybe societies simply naturally settle into patriarchy, if matriarchy worked on a large scale, there would be working examples, wouldn’t there?

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Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
Simon Paynton wrote: But which ever way you look at it, it’s very common, and much more common for women than for men.

Outside prison.

A little victim blaming going on there? Rape is rape, after all.

Never took stock from Rape of a Lock.

There is an old tradition in Ireland of never accepting a lock of hair from your lover (even if she is called Arabella).

I have long contended that religion is the source of most of the sexual dysfunction in the world. None of them hold that women should be treated the same way as men. The Old Testament…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:
But which ever way you look at it, it’s very common, and much more common for women than for men.

Wrong again: “Because of the high prison population in the United States the country has become probably the first and only in the world where rape of men is more common than of women.” (source)

The effort being made to Down play the prevalence of rape and sexual assault is sickening. This enables rape culture. You should be horrified by these statistics, not trying to fight them. Stop enabling rape culture.

@ Simon

Her point, since you missed it, is that there are no gold standard statistics and yet these 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 “statistics” are bandied about as if they are true.

Also, what is a rape is a matter for definition. In the movies of the past, men often grabbed a woman and kissed her. Some advocates today would call that at least a sexual…[Read more]

Your statistics are bogus:

She is a conservative feminist (not an oxymoron). Don’t pull a poisoning the well on me by rejecting the source out of hand. Instead, tell me how she’s wrong.