—

Simon Paynton wrote:

Autumn wrote:
War and egalitarianism are largely antithetical absent some pretty desperate conditions which don’t need to exist in this era.

I think that’s a matter of opinion.

Not really. You can’t rationalize war under egalitarianism. At most you can make concessions that wars of defence may be required because ega…[Read more]

It’s not suspicious. It’s expected for several reasons:

i) decreased stigmatization—despite a recent wave of increased transphobia, there has also been a dramatic increase in acceptance

ii) increased awareness—while there was some vague awareness that transsexual people existed, knowledge was pretty limited and the subject was rarely bro…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:

Simon Paynton wrote:

Simon Paynton wrote:
That said, there’s nothing to say that men have to be soft and weak, in order to be non-patriarchal.

Egalitarianism doesn’t imply male emasculation.

Thats the theory, but when the shit really hits the fan, women will look to their men for protection. Does Egalitarianism expect lady par…

[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
And so you shoehorn T in with LG through linguistic shenanigans.

He’s not the one that has ‘shoehorned’ them together.

The difference is real and significant.

No one is saying there isn’t a difference between gender identity and sexual orientation.

 but it’s not relevant to whether we’re talking about whether the trans phen…

[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Autumn wrote:
A look of realization dawns on his face. “Ah! A common confusion. ‘Mein Freund’ is how we say my boyfriend. If you want to say your friend, you should say “ein Freund.”

Yes, try saying “I am hot” to a French person.

I was not aware of this one. Had to look it up just now. I would have said ‘Je suis chaude,’…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:

Strega wrote:
What do lesbians and gay guys have in common? Nothing. Nothing at all. Except discrimination because their bodies aren’t rubbing bodies in the format society expects.

Come on, lesbians and gays have something in common: a sexual preference for their own gender. Gays don’t think they’re not really men and lesbi…

[Read more]

That is one of the significant shifts in contemporary psychology/ psychiatry. There was a point in time where you were disordered for basically failing to be normal.

Simon Paynton wrote:
Should it be fixed by changing their psychological orientation?  I don’t think that’s possible.  Pray the gay away?

There are interesting parallels. Obviously on the social side, the moralization and stigmatization of sexual orientation and of gender identity aren’t just parallel but directly overlapping. When we look at it…[Read more]

Strega wrote:
Strong movement? Is that like big strong men coming up to you crying because they feel their LGB status has been etymologically distorted by the T outlier? Oh come on.

That and the old “they’re trying to convert our children” chestnut pedalling the notion that doctors are trying to convert gay people to straight through medical…[Read more]

Strega wrote:
Hi Autumn :). I’m learning. I really appreciate your ability to capture these issues in writing so clearly. Please don’t forget what you told me once, many years ago. For all the visible readers and posters, there’s a multiplication of people we reach who read without commenting. xxx

I appreciate the reminder, sincerely.

Simon Paynton wrote:

To find that highly ponderable isn’t hate or an attack on human rights.

I think you have a point. Some people apparently say it is.

Except that’s not what people are saying. The concern is a transphobic trope of a ‘contagion’ effect which uses the increase in openly trans people and youth seeking gender-affirming care to i…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Autumn wrote:
’cause if we’re talking any other facet of fairness in women’s sports then the only people who give a shit are female athletes and a subset of feminists, I suppose.

But I think this situation represents a genuine dilemma, since fairness to one side means potential unfairness to another.

There is no fairn…[Read more]

At the same time, it’s not quite as simple as that…

Why are you trying to educate me on this? You know I am vastly more familiar with this topic than you, yes? Or were you merely thinking aloud for your own sake?

I am well aware of oppositional arguments at length as well as the development of these arguments. If I tried to speak on this t…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:
Unfortunately there is a lot of noise coming from both sides, that doesn’t necessarily help anybody. I don’t mean you @autumn but some of the more knee-jerking trans activists, and reactionaries on the opposite side.

As a generalization, we have to make noise just to be heard. They have to make noise to make sure we are…[Read more]

Davis wrote:
And yet, once again, this is how the “debate” is being characterised.

The scare quotes around ‘debate’ pretty much sums up the sentiment. Most of what I hear is a lot of noise that kills any actual debate or discussion. And I’ve been that noise before, especially as a teenager on the rights and affairs of Indigenous Peoples. I was…[Read more]

edit: changed my mind about the post. Realized I don’t really care anymore.