Edward

People who dismiss socialism (in all its forms) are ignorant and cannot distinguish between:

communist socialism (soviet, maoism, cuban)

bolivarian socialism (Venezuela and for a time a few other Latin American countries)

facist socialism (Nazi Germany)

European modern socialism (mixed system of capitalism and generous social programs).

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The number of people who don’t end up working even though they can’t when social services are provided (and there truly is work to find) is quite low in Europe. The perspective my most non-reactionary conservative types (most people) is that there will always be a small number of people who cannot work (highly disabled or have mental problems that…[Read more]

Once you reject equal justice before the law for all and accept the premise that some classes are more worthy of protection than others, it’s a luck of the draw how “hate speech” and “hate crime” laws would be enforced.  And remember, someone you support in power will not always be there.  Someone else could enforce these laws in a way you may nev…

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You forget that Al-Qaeda was footed by the Saudis, so 9/11 was an act of war as well as murder.

And I suppose war is also just a case of individuals committing crimes against individuals? Do you ever take a second to ponder what you’re about to say before you say it or is everything an instant “how do I get out of this mess reply”? Was Timothy N…[Read more]

No unseen I just wanted to you to answer the question. After three attempts you finally did. Thank you. I did not for a second think you were a paedophile but I wouldn’t have been surprised if you had a  nuanced take on relations between adults and non-adults as you have brought up this topic numerous times and have mentioned cultural relativism…[Read more]

People of “protected classes” can and will say and do hateful things against people of other “protected classes.”  The examples abound:

Do you think you’re saying something that isn’t already obvious to everyone? There is no reason why someone of a protected class wouldn’t be charged for a hate crime against another protected class. Why would th…[Read more]

Crimes are committed by individuals and against individuals and need to be fought accordingly.

I see encoginator. So when the terrorists flew their planes into the world trade centre building it was the act of a few individuals against the 4000 or so individuals who died that day? Is that the extent of their crimes simply a few individuals hurting…[Read more]

Unseen. Do you think it is immoral, under any circumstances, for a 40 year old to have sexual relations with a 15 year old?

No unseen…pay attention. I said hate crimes are under-reported (not the murders). The estimations are based on hate crimes reported to LGTBQ+ groups but not to the police. There are MANY reasons why such crimes go unreported not least because people are in the closet, fear retribution or know there is little chance anything will be done about…[Read more]

If people are afraid to be open about their sexuality then we need to ask them why.

Reg pretty much points to the biggest burning red flag unseen. You point out an elected LGBTQ+ leader in your state. That’s nice. Senior elected politicians who are out of the closet however no where near approach how many there should be if they were…[Read more]

I guess that means the 1,500 reported hate crimes against LGTBQ+ in the US (including over a dozen murders of trans people alone) are simply one side of a scale that is balanced by the fact that your state had an elected gay leader (keep in mind it is estimated that for every reported crime hundreds go unreported). I would imagine also the…[Read more]

You have also stated on top of what else I have mentioned that child marriage was a “cultural matter” and that attitudes towards sex between adults and non-adults have simply changed over time without ever once mentioning consent. It is not a stretch to assume you would have a nuanced position on the topic. So you unequivocally agree it is immoral…[Read more]

Please unseen. An ad hominem would be claiming you said something you haven’t. You haven’t stated our position one way or another. You’ve been pretty vague about your attitudes towards pederasty and paedophilia when at several times in the last few years you’ve suggested it is a matter of cultural attitudes rather than a simple question about…[Read more]

No unseen I am distinguishing between assholy cruel speech and hate speech. If we were to include your examples as hate speech then hate speech would be such an enormously broad category that virtually everyone would be protected from any douchey put-down. Hate speech protects vulnerable marginalised groups from the most vicious dehumanising…[Read more]

Unseen those are examples of mockery and derision. They are terrible things but not on the level of hate speech. Of course everything depends on the country but of all the European countries I know it would go like this:

An ethnic person walks by

Cruel but not hate speech: Oh gross something smells like curry and mothballs.

Hate speech: Fucking…[Read more]

Perhaps unseen you could make your views on sexual relations between adults and minors clear. Your position on the topic has been a little ambiguous.

Unseen I made a claim that elderly do not need the same protections as minorities and LGTBQ+ when it comes to egregious life changing systemic hate speech. You disagreed. I asked you to give examples of how the elderly suffer from it at the level that minorities and LGTBQ+ do. You then didn’t give examples (that’s twice now) and said you would if…[Read more]

No unseen we are dealing with hate speech not legal yet unpleasant speech and how hateful it may seem to me without knowing the context or the larger stoey. Stick to the topic.

Do you regard derision of gays as hateful?

No I do not think making a joke about how some gay people walk or talk should be a crime. You will certainly pay a high social price in many settings if you openly do this maliciously but it is up for organisations (like work places, social groups, schools to decide that for themselves) to do this. For…[Read more]