Jim

Strega wrote:
@jakelafort saying the universe doesn’t care, is another way of saying it is unaffected, unmoved, and oblivious to the thing being referred to.

^^^^^^^ What Strega said  ^^^^^^^^^

Strega wrote:
Because ‘stuff’ is determinable, that doesn’t give our mechanisms of determination any objective status, outside of human comprehension.

Wow. Strega summed up my multiple endless paragraphs of babble…and she did it all in one sentence. Bravo!!!

We shouldn’t mistake the word for the object, the numbers for the phenomena, the model for the reality or abstract concepts and explanations for everything-and-all. That is…when we are answering existential questions.

If unseen had asked any other question then yes, most of us would agree, the universe works like clockwork, works very much in…[Read more]

@Unseen and Jake

There is no math inside the fabric of the universe. The laws of physics. Our math is an imperfect representation of those laws written in symbols we can understand. We can approximate it as best as possible, it may be found to be very reliable, have predictive qualities which help us and help us understand the universe…but the…[Read more]

The sun doesn’t do math. Every individual particle acts according to the laws of physics. There is no group think, no centralised anything, no conceptualisation and zero number work.

Humans add things up when they need to know a total.

Bats scream…they don’t do math. They don’t deal with abstract problems. They cannot communicate the number 1…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:Math is part of the universe with or with people

If have to disagree. Math is completely separate from the laws of the universe. It’s a human construct, a human representation/modeling/conceptualisation/rendering/whatever-other-noun that we use to understand and survive in the hostile universe (and that math grows more complex as…[Read more]

There is no such thing as a math as though it is something that was created. Mathematics is only human construct to help understand, explain, forecast and manipulate their environment. The real question should be: “why did God create beings from whom a construct of numbers and number jumbling emerged”? Many human constructs emerge and yet few ask…[Read more]

A string of questions to ask them back:

Why does the existence of “reliable number jumbling” require a great singular being to have created it? If there was no patterns in nature but everything was a crazy blur of nonsense and chaos and confusion…would you still think a God created that universe? Well…the world IS a crazy blur of nonsense…[Read more]

Thomas Paine wrote:the realities are far outpacing his thesis

The truth is, the biggest source of terrorism in Europe in the last 100 years have been Christian based (including in the last decade):

Northern Ireland: Catholics and Protestants killing one another and blowing up buildings and transport most especially in Belfast and…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:Furthermore he was assisted by Russians.

That may be true…but he has an approval rating of 45%. That is, for me, the most shocking thing of all. Despite hiring criminals and idiots and firing them as well as good cabinet members, his hard core bromance with Putin, his deplorable position on family separation, inability to get…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:But Davis he did not win the popular vote.

Yes. Electoral reform is more important in this case. Though good luck changing anything in the US where most people have a strong incentive not to…and thats not even considering the outrageous gerrymandering that goes on. And the UK and Canada are no different. Them and the US are the…[Read more]

In the USA, city of Toronto, Russia, New-South-Wales, they clearly have no problem voting in a obviously undeniable immoral person. In a few European senates, to be eligible you have to have been elected twice as a member of parliament or assembly…preferably in two different jurisdictions or levels. This is an extremely intelligent…[Read more]

Remember when George Bush Jr as president seemed like the election of a know-nothing idiot who made unethical decisions riding on the coat-tails of his father and screwed up much of what he did? Well despite his disasters, people voted him in a second time. And then come one day, an utter scumbucket of the highest level of assholetry is elected.…[Read more]