Lars

The laws of physics and the functions of mathematics are like grids that we overlay on the universe so we can use grid references to talk about specific parts.  The universe itself doesn’t care.

We shouldn’t mistake the word for the object, the numbers for the phenomena, the model for the reality or abstract concepts and explanations for everything-and-all. That is…when we are answering existential questions.

If unseen had asked any other question then yes, most of us would agree, the universe works like clockwork, works very much in…[Read more]

@Unseen and Jake

There is no math inside the fabric of the universe. The laws of physics. Our math is an imperfect representation of those laws written in symbols we can understand. We can approximate it as best as possible, it may be found to be very reliable, have predictive qualities which help us and help us understand the universe…but the…[Read more]

The sun doesn’t do math. Every individual particle acts according to the laws of physics. There is no group think, no centralised anything, no conceptualisation and zero number work.

Humans add things up when they need to know a total.

Bats scream…they don’t do math. They don’t deal with abstract problems. They cannot communicate the number 1…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:Math is part of the universe with or with people

If have to disagree. Math is completely separate from the laws of the universe. It’s a human construct, a human representation/modeling/conceptualisation/rendering/whatever-other-noun that we use to understand and survive in the hostile universe (and that math grows more complex as…[Read more]

There is no such thing as a math as though it is something that was created. Mathematics is only human construct to help understand, explain, forecast and manipulate their environment. The real question should be: “why did God create beings from whom a construct of numbers and number jumbling emerged”? Many human constructs emerge and yet few ask…[Read more]

A string of questions to ask them back:

Why does the existence of “reliable number jumbling” require a great singular being to have created it? If there was no patterns in nature but everything was a crazy blur of nonsense and chaos and confusion…would you still think a God created that universe? Well…the world IS a crazy blur of nonsense…[Read more]

Thomas Paine wrote:the realities are far outpacing his thesis

The truth is, the biggest source of terrorism in Europe in the last 100 years have been Christian based (including in the last decade):

Northern Ireland: Catholics and Protestants killing one another and blowing up buildings and transport most especially in Belfast and…[Read more]