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jakelafort wrote:
There was no nonsequitur. So it is not beneath me. Palestinians according to Pew are overwhelmingly religious. Yes a smattering of Christians but mostly Muslims. The Palestinians according to Pew in that world research that attempted to account for antisemitism (how about AJ for antijewish) discovered (no surprise) that the…

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jakelafort wrote:
You have said nothing substantive. Make an argument.

Bullshit. Whether I said anything substantive or not has nothing to do with your non-sequitur. Don’t make excuses. It’s beneath you.

You don’t even seem to know what it is you’re arguing against. Contemporary proposals for a two-state solution necessarily recognize the…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:
I have read my share of history. I’ve observed. I have reasoned.

If you jumped to 1947 to make a point about present-day viewpoints, I’m going to have to say at least two of those statements are not in evidence.

jakelafort wrote:
NOTHING has changed. Fanatical religious people. Just like they were then.

Seems you made up your mind three quarters of a century ago.

Seriously? That was over seven decades ago. Anyone who was so much as sixteen at the time would now be in their 90s. Not to mention the fact that British occupation was basically giving away territory in their homelands. I am aware that’s an oversimplification, by why would anyone handle that well? While the events of the past certainly have an…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:
I am referring to the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and Palestinian state. They had it. They were granted a state. The Palestinians and Arab League rejected the state and started a war against Israel.

If you’re talking about the Oslo Accord, then no.

jakelafort wrote:
The two state solution was granted.

It hasn’t been. Partial measures granting some measure of autonomy to Palestinians have been taken or ceded in the past, but a two-state reality was never actually reached. Gaza isn’t an independent nation and the West Bank enclaves are even further from that reality.

jakelafort wrote:
I suppose the right wing gov in Israel might swing left. Maybe they will get Israelis out of Palestinian territory. IDK. But i do know that as long as the initial goal of the Arabs to kill every Jew and take the holy land is extant that peace is not possible. And negotiations are not something that makes any sense for Israel. It…

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Unseen wrote:
Everyone rushes to support the apartheid regime that is publicly stating that “there are no innocent Palestinians” (translation: “The only good Palestinian is a dead one.”)

I don’t support Israel in its treatment of Palestine or it’s encroaching setttlements, neither do I ascribe to a simplistic narrative of armies versus terrori…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
@ Jake Come on. Answer my question: Did the UN own the land they used to create Israel?

Sort of. It was Under Ottoman control up until WWI when the British and Ottoman empires ended up on opposite sides. This was an era were national borders shifted around extant populations all the time. Even within European borders, peoples would…[Read more]

Unfortunately, Biden’s approval numbers are only marginally better than Trump’s. Though I think Trump’s numbers can’t improve while Biden’s can, but even if they do, that’s not enough to translate into votes. Coupled with the fact that Trump has better odds of winning with a lower percentage of the popular vote, I think it’s fair to be upset with…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

I think that what is adequate for their needs is the level of technology for the easy foraging niche they live in. Chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, etc., don’t need sophisticated technology to do what they need to do to survive adequately. It does not require much tool use to pick fruit off trees, pick up termites on a s…

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Unseen wrote:
And we had a major impetus to making that discovery. Namely, as mammals we needed to stay warm.

I will agree only that some impetus is needed. There are plenty of tool users in the animal kingdom. Chimpanzees prepare sticks to fish termites out of their mounds. The method for doing this is taught amongst themselves. But if the means…[Read more]

Autumn wrote:
Looking at us as a natural species

Huh, that’s not what I meant to write. The thought in my brain at the time was if you looked at humanity prior to the use of more refined tools, you might think it it impossible or at least improbably we developed the level of science and technology we did. In order to do what we do and discover…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
It’s hard to even imagine a creature without an internal skeleton and living in an atmosphere similar to our own developing a high technology.

Our development of science and technology is biased toward the fact that we developed it. Looking at us as a natural species, most of what we developed and discovered was impractical or i…[Read more]

TheEncogitationer wrote:
Autumn, One, you did not mention Strawmen thrice.

I said I pointed out what it was twice. The post you quoted was the third time. This was in response to you acting all mystified as to what straw man arguments I was talking about.

Two, you are so verbose that you have probably not said the same thing three times in your…

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TheEncogitationer wrote:
Autumn, You don’t even know what a Strawman is because you couldn’t or wouldn’t even point out how I made one. So wonder about your own argumentative prowess. Phooey!

I’ve pointed it out to you twice. I have spent many hours wondering about my argumentative prowess such that I don’t make weak arguments or commit to obvio…[Read more]

TheEncogitationer wrote:
Unseen, Davis, and Autumn, Hey, I am fully willing to let this drop too. It’s even futile to point out the fallacies behind gun control to True Believers in it.

I haven’t actually advocated for gun control once in this thread. It’s not a topic I am passionate about. I am just curious about why you overestimate the c…[Read more]