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@strega – all I’m saying is that for Christians, it adds up to say that.

@davis – those mechanisms – enforced God-believing, and threatening people with eternal torture, originated in the need to enforce long term cooperation, hopefully leading to thriving, although as we know, this often hasn’t worked out.

I haven’t ever read the Bible cover to cover.

@Davis: Man I feel ya.

Our cat was the same way. Crawl up on your lap purring and the minute you touched her she’d scratch the shit out of you. She ended up getting cancer and we put her down.

Our dog on the other hand was a joy! He mimicked the sound of “I want one”. If I held up a treat and asked him, “Snowball, do you want one?”, he would…[Read more]

@Davis

Well the pagan interpretation of hell is as such. Scripture speaks of the second death after the resurrection to Judgement.

@davis but don’t forget to factor in the kerb of the road where deadly traffic could swerve and catch you unawares as you swerve to avoid the ladder

@davis I think urban legends are probably closest to a modern day equivalent

@Davis — Do girls prefer bad boys? Some do. .Many do. Just go out to a meat market bar and see all the asshole guys with a desirable female on their arm. “Show me a mentally, physically, and emotionally abusive sociopathic narcissist and pathological liar and I’ll show you a guy who has a date on Saturday night.”

For a lot of girls, dating and r…[Read more]

Good points there @davis I think that your right to consider the relationship of the environment also. Of culture.

One example of a really powerful cultural meme is the ability to make fire. Its not  genetic & there is evidence that man lost the ability and relearn it.

But it was the ability to produce fire that allowed cooking, which some…[Read more]

hi Simon Paynton, I hope you don’t mind if I answer your question posed to @Davis

Earlier you were asking where C.I ” works”

One example is the UDHR & Absolute rights

Absolute rights cannot be interfered with or limited in any way.

Examples of absolute rights are prohibition of torture (Article 3, European Convention on Human Rights)

or…[Read more]

@davis – is that how the Categorical Imperative works?

@davis – would you like to give some examples of where the Categorical Imperative is used in everyday life?

@davis – I’ll take any two.

Davis wrote:
Ignoring traffic or pedestrian laws (Not stopping at a stop sign.)

Davis wrote:
Embellishing the truth (Lightly exaggerating the quality of a used car you’re selling)

If it was a choice between one or the other, I’d say the first is worse than the second, because the potential for harm is greater.  But it…[Read more]

@davis – “put those 15 questionable actions in order”

– I would have thought that’s a pointless exercise.

Simon Paynton wrote:
@davis – can you give an example of where the Categorical Imperative is used in real life?

Not until you put those 15 questionable actions in order. I’ll tell you after you do that.

@davis – can you give an example of where the Categorical Imperative is used in real life?

Simon Paynton wrote:
@davis – “hierarchies” – what I mean is, we can compare any two crimes and usually, one will be worse than another.

Great. Could you please at least list those 15 unfavorable acts from worst to least worse???

@davis – “hierarchies”

– what I mean is, we can compare any two crimes and usually, one will be worse than another.

@davis – “deontological ethics”

– why is something a duty, in real life?  I think there are two kinds:

1)  role-based duty – living up to role ideals (respecting cooperation)

2)  humanitarian-based duty – to treat others with respect and fairness.

Both are evolved, in the sense that 1) is an example of cooperation, and 2) is an evolutionary re…[Read more]

@davis Son of God sounds just like Bride of Godzilla to me.

Or maybe Spawn of Gargamel? 😉

@davis Son of God sounds just like Bride of Godzilla to me.