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  • Davis replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 9 hours, 11 minutes ago

    Some things I learnt about ant, bee and termite colonies:

    Queen is truly the wrong word. Giant sex slave is probably a better one. The queen usually only makes one decision (and even then there is usually some consensus involved) when deciding whether to make another colony or not. Otherwise the queen is held hostage by the drones and carries out…[Read more]

  • Davis replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 1 day, 8 hours ago

    It’s not that we are akin to ants. Our social structure is fundamentally different to them. Humans evolved in an environment completely different to the world we know. They lived in small social groups with tons of space and infrequent contact with other humans. They were hunter gatherers, lived short lives and lived in a fairly hostile natural…[Read more]

  • Davis replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 1 day, 22 hours ago

    No. It is ridiculous to dismiss ethical systems, as described in moral philosophy as having nothing to do with “the real world” (whatever that actually means). Virtue ethics and utilitarian ethics in particular have had a massive influence on contemporary western ethos. Most especially in terms of human rights. I mean, the very idea of inalienable…[Read more]

  • Davis replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 2 days, 13 hours ago

    I don’t think you can rely on the founding fathers for some grand guide of what is self-evident. Just because they found some things self-evident but over looked other things, doesn’t make them not self-evident. Turning another human being into an object is abhorrent in most moral systems. It is certainly so in: deontological, utilitarian and…[Read more]

  • At Christmas I always go see Handel’s Messiah and or Bach’s Christmas Oratorio. At Easter (if possible) Bach’s St. John’s or St. Matthews Passion. They are monumental works of Western civilization and always put me in the Christmas spirit. I think of it like seeing a Star Wars film. I don’t believe in the force nor that Luke was the chosen one.

  • Every time there is botched art people laugh just a little bit and then get furious. The government needs to pour more money into professional restaurations of buildings and art. Even atheists agree. We don’t want to lose national treasures, even if a lot of them are about Jebus and holy virgins.

  • Davis replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 6 days, 20 hours ago

    Slavery was a pretty complex phenomena among the Greeks and Romans. It ranged from a “member of the family” who had obligations in the house but also limited rights, could be educated, allowed to come and go and could buy their freedom if they worked hard. At the same time this was hardly universal and some slaves were exploited (would you be…[Read more]

  • Davis replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 1 week, 1 day ago

    Oh yeah. They couldn’t compare with what the Mayans and Aztecs did. I mistated that: what I meant was there were no traces of slavery until they reached a certain level of sophistication and concentration. In other words, during their migration and population of the americas over the centuries there are few if any signs of slavery or servitude. As…[Read more]

  • Davis replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 1 week, 2 days ago

    It really is just a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms since humans started herding together enough for institutionalized slavery. Of course we are always evolving, but considering slavery/servitude had emerged entirely independently of one another (in South America, Central America, Northern Europe, Middle East, India) pretty much at the point…[Read more]

  • Davis replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 1 week, 5 days ago

    I know of few complex civilisations that didn’t institute slavery, serfdom or severe indentured servitude. CivilizatiobsThCivilization a withoutrwithout areuare almost invariably in the process of secularisation or have weak influence from religion. Human nature evolved outside of complex civilization. We are not conditioned to live in density and…[Read more]

  • Davis replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 1 week, 6 days ago

    I’d say yeah…keep the statues. But instead of putting them on pedestals and shining an light on them place them in a pit so they only half stand out of the ground. It’s one thing to remember them. It’s another thing to exemplify and venerate them.

  • Or Reg. We can teach by showing snarky contempt. That’s what Socrates did. Sort of

  • Indeed you had. Four days ago. There was no notification that I had a message. I have sent it. Enjoy

  • No. This is:

    “argumentum from pure exhaustion”

    The irony is if you pay attention to the cartoon that this whole thing started with (a completely different topic by the way) you’ll see it was mostly, all about people, who refuse to educate themselves (in this case even in the basics) and then argue nonsense and when challenged on their lack of…[Read more]

  • Simon it baffles my mind how you won’t read a single book about a topic you discuss so much. I’m with unseen. I’m done discussing this with you.

     

  • That may be so, but this is the version that is actually used by people.

    How do you know that Simon. You are virtually illiterate in all things ethics.

  • Utilitarianism can be reframed as “all those affected by my actions are to receive the maximum benefit and minimum harm available to them”,

    That depends. There are multiple utilitarian systems that would not be characterized as such.

  • Deontological means duties, right?

    That is a gross oversimplification. Pick up a book and read it…please.

  • I’m with Hume: morality is an evolved psychological matter.  I think Kant went wrong by trying to insist it’s rational and moreover, absolute.

    Hume’s writings on ethics are vague and are not well developed. Kant’s works were, in part, a response to the many problems with both Hume writings. Kant only talks about absolute “within” the moral syst…[Read more]

  • It also comes down to the question, how many people have to agree with a principle to make it a principle? Anti-social people believe they can take what they want from others. Does that make anti-social behaviour an ethical principle?

    What a moral principle is depends entirely on the moral system. Deontological systems generate entirely different…[Read more]

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